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Old 4th May 2020, 20:35
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Old 4th May 2020, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Robbiee
If the industry had to rely on people who could both pay their way through life and save enough for training,...?

,...there'd be like ten pilots in the whole world! Seriously, when I was living in my car working two jobs I still couldn't afford flight school!
How very sad and heroic of you... life in the car must have been tough, having to fight for your parking space, hoping the food you had would be enough for the day, praying you didn’t get shot at in the dark and hoping your government pay check came at the end of the month.

Would have been similar if you had if you had joined the military but with better benefits.... rather than taking benefits!
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Old 5th May 2020, 12:21
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Crab shows how to make a point with panache and style

Nomorehelosforme shows how to make the same point but to be offensive
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Old 5th May 2020, 12:32
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Or, serve your country, join the military and get paid to learn to fly
Not always an option.
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Old 5th May 2020, 12:43
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The Cabri has a bit of a design problem at the firewall, abrading electric cables.
About two years ago, I was taking a flight with VVB (Now ICE Heli) and when lifting collective and getting light on the skids prior to hover, the display rebooted and the power dropped as though we'd hit the plasma ignition switch.
A bit of a "Woah, what was that?" moment, and moving over to the grass at Elstree we determined that it wasn't just at a certain collective angle, but when the ship vibrated a bit with the governor revving up for power demand.

We couldn't see what the issue was so shut down and scrubbed the flight.
Maintenance took a long time to find it but eventually found there was wear to cables coming from the cabin.

Then I spotted this in the news the other week:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-51959648

Turns out that a different aircraft burnt down due to the same fault.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...CILR_04-20.pdf

Glad we caught ours before it got a bit serious up in the air.

If you're in one, make sure it's got the upgraded clips.
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Old 5th May 2020, 14:27
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
How very sad and heroic of you... life in the car must have been tough, having to fight for your parking space, hoping the food you had would be enough for the day, praying you didn’t get shot at in the dark and hoping your government pay check came at the end of the month.

Would have been similar if you had if you had joined the military but with better benefits.... rather than taking benefits!
I don't know what about me living in my car stuck up your ass, but I wasn't receiving any government money.

Besides, the military wouldn't take me due to my asthma,...even if I had wanted to go that route,...which I did not!
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Old 6th May 2020, 14:27
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Originally Posted by WillyPete
The Cabri has a bit of a design problem at the firewall, abrading electric cables.
About two years ago, I was taking a flight with VVB (Now ICE Heli) and when lifting collective and getting light on the skids prior to hover, the display rebooted and the power dropped as though we'd hit the plasma ignition switch.
A bit of a "Woah, what was that?" moment, and moving over to the grass at Elstree we determined that it wasn't just at a certain collective angle, but when the ship vibrated a bit with the governor revving up for power demand.

We couldn't see what the issue was so shut down and scrubbed the flight.
Maintenance took a long time to find it but eventually found there was wear to cables coming from the cabin.

Then I spotted this in the news the other week:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-51959648

Turns out that a different aircraft burnt down due to the same fault.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...CILR_04-20.pdf

Glad we caught ours before it got a bit serious up in the air.

If you're in one, make sure it's got the upgraded clips.

Not really a design problem.

More a maintainence problem, assembling the parts incorrectly.

OK, in the aviation world we should try do design things failsafe, so incorrect assembly isn't possible - so just a little bit of design fault ;-)

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Old 6th May 2020, 20:42
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Originally Posted by ApolloHeli
Did you have a chat with Guimbal after this event? Was it confirmed to have been caused by the same issue as in the report you've referenced?
No, wasn't my helicopter.
I don't know if their maintenance did later.

I was shown the offending location a few weeks later and it's the same spot in the report that shows the new cable clip.
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Old 6th May 2020, 20:47
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Originally Posted by Flying Bull
Not really a design problem.

More a maintainence problem, assembling the parts incorrectly.

OK, in the aviation world we should try do design things failsafe, so incorrect assembly isn't possible - so just a little bit of design fault ;-)
Yup, as per the report:
"The helicopter manufacturer has completed a redesign of the clipping system to ensure the cable clipping cannot be installed incorrectly. The new design of clip is being fitted to new production helicopters and will be available via service bulletin from the manufacturer."
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 07:09
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When does anyone think Flight training will resume?
it looks like it could be a long while yet!
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 10:42
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It never stopped in the US, aviation was given "essential" status. Some training op's closed, of course, not sure how many.
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 11:04
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Wow, how can you keep the 2m rule in any aircraft never mind a Cabri?
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Old 2nd Jun 2020, 13:34
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@KNIEVEL77 there is a discussion on that very topic in this Rotorheads thread: Helicopters and Coronavirus
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Old 14th Jun 2020, 08:38
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Originally Posted by aa777888
@KNIEVEL77 there is a discussion on that very topic in this Rotorheads thread: Helicopters and Coronavirus
That thread turned a bit political so I gave it a miss but they mentioned one Cabri school who have been flying for weeks although it may well have been all solo flights.

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Old 11th Nov 2020, 18:37
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Think there’s been another G2 accident apart from the Malaysian one, this time in Switzerland and a damaged Bell 505-

https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/article...a-sion-1004041



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Old 11th Nov 2020, 20:51
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Looks like the Cabri tried a sneak attack on the 505 from behind but it was not very effective.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 23:13
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To fend off those sneak attacks the 505 didn't go with an enclosed tail rotor.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 02:57
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The pilots were distantly related - in the 505 was Cutty Zarsov, and in the Cabri was Twista di Zarsov.
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 04:42
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always looks bad when two aircrafts from the same company bang into each other
will be hard to get a good deal on insurance for a while with that double claim
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Old 12th Nov 2020, 08:32
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Originally Posted by Robbiee
If the industry had to rely on people who could both pay their way through life and save enough for training,...?

,...there'd be like ten pilots in the whole world! Seriously, when I was living in my car working two jobs I still couldn't afford flight school!
I did my first hours that way (Bell 47) ..... had a good job net 660 per week and every weekend 500 went to the flight school for an hour Saturday and an hour Sunday and I lived on the rest ... had cheap house rent but hardest part for me was parking my car and using the transit bus

All the other students in my class had parents who put up money or some had good credit and got loans ... one student his dad mortgaged his farm to raise cash.
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