Guimbal Cabri G2
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So, are there any news about the Cabri G2? Any operator out there with some comments on the aircraft? (Good, bad, pain in the a**). Is it usable for primary training, what's the maintenance issue on it? How long do you have to wait for one if you ordered one today?
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Cabri G2 update
Hallo Capt Spunk and for interested others.
Have just returned from a further day at Aix-en-Provence flying the Cabri G2 for a write up for Blades Helicopter magazine.
My report concentrates more on the technical aspects and a six page article will appear in the April issue of Blades.
For those who don't know, Blades and P1 are part of the LOOP aviation newspaper group and are available without subscription by simply logging on to LOOP.aero and registering. Loop monthly and Blades Bi-monthly.
The factory were building serial number 1007 (seven so far) while I was there and subject to sales the plan is to eventually build ten machines a month.
Price is a problem just now with the UK pound worth tuppence, but the launch customer Ixair at Toussous le Noble have two on their school and a further thre on order. They are leasing out a whisker less than the local R22s.
I guess an order placed now could be for an autumn delivery but E-mail the new sales manager ... don't quote me! Ask Julia Depinay for a factory quote. Hlicoptres Guimbal S.A..
Best wishes to all,
Dennis Kenyon.
Have just returned from a further day at Aix-en-Provence flying the Cabri G2 for a write up for Blades Helicopter magazine.
My report concentrates more on the technical aspects and a six page article will appear in the April issue of Blades.
For those who don't know, Blades and P1 are part of the LOOP aviation newspaper group and are available without subscription by simply logging on to LOOP.aero and registering. Loop monthly and Blades Bi-monthly.
The factory were building serial number 1007 (seven so far) while I was there and subject to sales the plan is to eventually build ten machines a month.
Price is a problem just now with the UK pound worth tuppence, but the launch customer Ixair at Toussous le Noble have two on their school and a further thre on order. They are leasing out a whisker less than the local R22s.
I guess an order placed now could be for an autumn delivery but E-mail the new sales manager ... don't quote me! Ask Julia Depinay for a factory quote. Hlicoptres Guimbal S.A..
Best wishes to all,
Dennis Kenyon.
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If they're planning to turn out 10/month, that implies they see a market for that many; any idea on what timescale they're planning to reach that level of production? The real problem I see (as others have already pointed out) is that to make training in a Cabri G2 worthwhile, you either need to be about to buy one for yourself or you need to be assured of being able to SFH one when you want it. This in turn implies that there will be enough of them around to make it worthwhile. Are Guimbal planning to sell mostly into Europe or are the 10/month production going to be sold world-wide? What about service centres? Will they piggy-back on Eurocopter's network?
I'm unlikely to be flying one any time soon, having made my choice of starting aircraft, but it would be good to see a serious contender for Frank's finest.
Oh, and if you're planning on signing up to LOOP.aero, I strongly suggest not giving them an email address you care about; they will continue to send out junk mail forevermore, no matter how many times you 'unsubscribe' or ask them not to.
I'm unlikely to be flying one any time soon, having made my choice of starting aircraft, but it would be good to see a serious contender for Frank's finest.
Oh, and if you're planning on signing up to LOOP.aero, I strongly suggest not giving them an email address you care about; they will continue to send out junk mail forevermore, no matter how many times you 'unsubscribe' or ask them not to.
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Hi Pandalet,
Thanks for the interest and my article will comprehensively deal with most of the usual queries that get raised, but for yours ... the ten-a-month figure is simply the factory's target production but absolutely has to depend on making the sales and that figure is at present the maximum factory capacity from the premises they have.
Can't accept your point about not buying or training 'til you can SFH. There's never been a helicopter produced that didn't arrive with that situation, but it didn't stop the R22 becoming a massive success. Factories, especially the smaller ones, work on a slower time table than you and I would like. M Bruno Guimbal has his head well and truly screwed on and will gear the factory up as the sales come in. But they do need to get the first few sold I feel. There is one firm in this country who are in pole position for a dealership and I know they plan to SFH to all clients who learn on the type. And remember I take the view that a G4 is inevitable!
On the maintenance aspects, no dealers will be appointed unless they have 145 approval and factory course engineers. Yes I believe the existing EC network will be used but mostly in Europe.
Sorry to hear of your LOOP 'junk' problem. First time it has been brought to my attention. If you haven't already e-mailed either Dave Calderwood or the owner Sam Spurdens and related the problem, write direct to either Dave or [email protected].
Having put in two days flying on the pretty Cabri, I was impressed, particularly with the firm handling and many safety features. (albeit a requirement under Easa's Part CS-27 certification.) Also liked the T/K period ... almost two seconds at MAUW. As good as the B206 and a mile better than the R22. (But the blades do turn the wrong way for we USA fanatics.)
Tried and trusted Lycoming J series engine, Glass cockpit panel, 'Plasma' ignition, five hours endurance, 130 knot VNE, safety features everywhere, especially the 'stroking' seats where a vertical impact of 30g is reduced to just 3g, then the Feneston T/R and all composite construction including the M/R blades.
Finally no 'finite life' airframe components ... everything 'on condition' so you don't throw it away after 2,200 hours. And a nice tit bit, remote door locking and ignition blocking. Remember when you first had it on your car!
Anyway for those that want to know more, just log on to Loop/Blades.
Best wishes to all,
Dennis Kenyon.
Thanks for the interest and my article will comprehensively deal with most of the usual queries that get raised, but for yours ... the ten-a-month figure is simply the factory's target production but absolutely has to depend on making the sales and that figure is at present the maximum factory capacity from the premises they have.
Can't accept your point about not buying or training 'til you can SFH. There's never been a helicopter produced that didn't arrive with that situation, but it didn't stop the R22 becoming a massive success. Factories, especially the smaller ones, work on a slower time table than you and I would like. M Bruno Guimbal has his head well and truly screwed on and will gear the factory up as the sales come in. But they do need to get the first few sold I feel. There is one firm in this country who are in pole position for a dealership and I know they plan to SFH to all clients who learn on the type. And remember I take the view that a G4 is inevitable!
On the maintenance aspects, no dealers will be appointed unless they have 145 approval and factory course engineers. Yes I believe the existing EC network will be used but mostly in Europe.
Sorry to hear of your LOOP 'junk' problem. First time it has been brought to my attention. If you haven't already e-mailed either Dave Calderwood or the owner Sam Spurdens and related the problem, write direct to either Dave or [email protected].
Having put in two days flying on the pretty Cabri, I was impressed, particularly with the firm handling and many safety features. (albeit a requirement under Easa's Part CS-27 certification.) Also liked the T/K period ... almost two seconds at MAUW. As good as the B206 and a mile better than the R22. (But the blades do turn the wrong way for we USA fanatics.)
Tried and trusted Lycoming J series engine, Glass cockpit panel, 'Plasma' ignition, five hours endurance, 130 knot VNE, safety features everywhere, especially the 'stroking' seats where a vertical impact of 30g is reduced to just 3g, then the Feneston T/R and all composite construction including the M/R blades.
Finally no 'finite life' airframe components ... everything 'on condition' so you don't throw it away after 2,200 hours. And a nice tit bit, remote door locking and ignition blocking. Remember when you first had it on your car!
Anyway for those that want to know more, just log on to Loop/Blades.
Best wishes to all,
Dennis Kenyon.
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I am registered for the loop magazine. I have searched the loop website and can't find any reference to the Blades mag. Can you point me in the right direction please.
I am registered for the loop magazine. I have searched the loop website and can't find any reference to the Blades mag. Can you point me in the right direction please.
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Just call the Babraham office and ask them to add your name to the Blades distribution list. If you ask nicely they'll post you a dedicated April issue of Blades. Has my Cabri G2 update. LOOP.aero
Regards, Dennis K
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According to this Av Week blog the Cabri was included in a recent French defense ministry 'pre-Paris air show briefing,' presumably because of its use as the basis of the ORKA-1200 VUAS.
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S/N 1006 is F-GRIL. It has been delivered in september.
S/N 1007 was delivered last week. More info to come soon.
S/N 1008 is on final assembly. It will be the first one with floats. Although the manual switches will be the usual way to inflate, an automatic immersion system will be fitted for the distracted (it will not be optional).
C.S.
S/N 1007 was delivered last week. More info to come soon.
S/N 1008 is on final assembly. It will be the first one with floats. Although the manual switches will be the usual way to inflate, an automatic immersion system will be fitted for the distracted (it will not be optional).
C.S.
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Even after a lot of Google'ing, I still haven't found the Guimbals full specs.
Do any of you have them and willing to share ro have a link to where it can be found?
Here is the link to the TSDC
Do any of you have them and willing to share ro have a link to where it can be found?
Here is the link to the TSDC
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This is the very first one delivered to Eurocopter.
Yes, you read right, Eurocopter, for the first time in his history, acquires a brand new helicopter from an other manufacturer.
And it's only the beginning of a long story ...
Yes, you read right, Eurocopter, for the first time in his history, acquires a brand new helicopter from an other manufacturer.
And it's only the beginning of a long story ...
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When will it be in the UK
Does anybody have an idea or know when the first one of these will appear in the UK?
Apologies if I have missed something obvious why its not here yet
(Ooops just read backwards, Dennis K any idea what part of England they will end up?)
Apologies if I have missed something obvious why its not here yet
(Ooops just read backwards, Dennis K any idea what part of England they will end up?)
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Hello,
the Cabri has been equipped with an RRM (Régulateur de Régime Moteur, engine speed regulator) since the beginning.
It's a digital regulator with many inputs and among others, an output that controls throttle.
It works perfectly, even in desynchronized mode (i.e. autos with low RPM) and it takes hand softly, quickly and firmly when you pull the collective to regain power if you don't want to complete your autorotation.
I don't think that what is traditionnaly called "governor" on other helos can do that.
On early pictures in this thread, one can see a blue light : it's the "gov off".
C.S.
the Cabri has been equipped with an RRM (Régulateur de Régime Moteur, engine speed regulator) since the beginning.
It's a digital regulator with many inputs and among others, an output that controls throttle.
It works perfectly, even in desynchronized mode (i.e. autos with low RPM) and it takes hand softly, quickly and firmly when you pull the collective to regain power if you don't want to complete your autorotation.
I don't think that what is traditionnaly called "governor" on other helos can do that.
On early pictures in this thread, one can see a blue light : it's the "gov off".
C.S.
I always understood there was no governer fitted to the G2, yet I note on the top row of warning lights;
GOV. OFF
Has a governer now been developed?
GOV. OFF
Has a governer now been developed?
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Well,
Having gone back to the article posted by Captain Hollywood on Page 3 of this thread, I find reference to a governer switch being located on the end of the collective.
Thanks CentralS, I'll be quiet now.....
Having gone back to the article posted by Captain Hollywood on Page 3 of this thread, I find reference to a governer switch being located on the end of the collective.
Thanks CentralS, I'll be quiet now.....
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The Cabri now in operation in Germany :
Ausbildung zum Hubschrauber Privatpilot PPL-H
Ausbildungskosten der Hubschrauber Privatpilotenlizenz (PPL-H)
Gute Flüge
Ausbildung zum Hubschrauber Privatpilot PPL-H
Ausbildungskosten der Hubschrauber Privatpilotenlizenz (PPL-H)
Gute Flüge
