What is your helicopter carbon footprint?
Roscoe1 - I respect your scientific credentials and I'm sure you know a great deal more about the sea than me.
But you will probably have seen the data from the Vostok ice cores which shows the relationship between atmospheric CO2 and global temperature - the increase in temperature leads the increase in CO2 by a significant period - can you explain that with the IPCC paradigm?
Equally the IPCC can't explain the mini ice age in the 1500's which followed the mediaeval warm period in the 1200s because there is no correlation between CO2 and global temperatures in the same ice cores they rely on so much.
As I mentioned earlier, the expert scientists were all agreeing in the 60s that we were headed for another ice age - where are they now?
All the scientific data supports the change in climate but the AGW link is a modern construct that doesn't compare with historical evidence.
But you will probably have seen the data from the Vostok ice cores which shows the relationship between atmospheric CO2 and global temperature - the increase in temperature leads the increase in CO2 by a significant period - can you explain that with the IPCC paradigm?
Equally the IPCC can't explain the mini ice age in the 1500's which followed the mediaeval warm period in the 1200s because there is no correlation between CO2 and global temperatures in the same ice cores they rely on so much.
As I mentioned earlier, the expert scientists were all agreeing in the 60s that we were headed for another ice age - where are they now?
All the scientific data supports the change in climate but the AGW link is a modern construct that doesn't compare with historical evidence.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
.... why was the earth less than a degree warmer than it is now in 1200 - 1300AD?
Thats a difference!
skadi
Crab, almost all the climate myths and mythinformation is rooted in selective use of facts.
There is a good scientific site that debunks all of the favourites and then some.
Go browse and you will find answers to most, if not all, misconceptions.
Wrt your CO2/temp question https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=25
There is a good scientific site that debunks all of the favourites and then some.
Go browse and you will find answers to most, if not all, misconceptions.
Wrt your CO2/temp question https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=25
Erm, isn't this sort of discussion best had in Jet Blast? I can't see how the last few posts relate directly to helicopters.
What next? Discussions about whether the Earth is flat or if the Moon landings actually happened?
What next? Discussions about whether the Earth is flat or if the Moon landings actually happened?
if the Moon landings actually happened?
What I find amusing is the perceived fear that my big ol' smelly diesel four wheel drive pickup's exhaust contents is going to end human life and completely destroy the Earth.
Even if by some miracle all human life becomes extinct.....I firmly believe the Blue Orb shall go right on ticking right up to the instant the Sun goes dark and dead.
Either way....it matters not to me in what time I have left....as either of the options is so far down the road that it does not matter.
I believe in conservation and taking care of the environment as we all should.
That being said....I do not see destroying the Western Nations collective economies as being the right path to salvation.
Even if by some miracle all human life becomes extinct.....I firmly believe the Blue Orb shall go right on ticking right up to the instant the Sun goes dark and dead.
Either way....it matters not to me in what time I have left....as either of the options is so far down the road that it does not matter.
I believe in conservation and taking care of the environment as we all should.
That being said....I do not see destroying the Western Nations collective economies as being the right path to salvation.
SASless,
I don't think that individually, your big diesel truck makes much of a difference. I don't think the EV that I drive and charge with the help of PV panels on my roof makes a dent either. It is, however, an issue of scale. The millions and millions of diesels do make an impact as does the slow but steady slide toward EVs. Before you say " "but what is the impact of making and disposing of those batteries and PV cells etc"., I understand that there is a price to be paid. In the long run, based on what I've read on both sides I think moving away from fossile fuels is good for all of us and that environmental harm and health issues will diminish as they did with reduction in smoking. Same with the use of plastics. Do I deny your right to drive a big truck? Certainly not. Will I try to convince people that unless you really need a large vehicle ( and you may need yours, I know not) that there are advantages to driving more efficient ones? Absolutely.
I have no idea if human life may become extinct. If we do it may be for reasons unrelated to what we drive. If, for example the native pollinators and cultivated bees are struggling to survive or actually are reduced to being ineffective at filling their niech it may be a bigger blow than greenhouse gas pollution. How many people will say "gee, we didn't see that coming" despite 20 years of warnings by bee keepers and ecologists.
If it matters not to you, well than there we are aren't we? I recently had the opportunity to visit Tokyo and yes I flew on a big smelly 787. The fascinating thing I noticed after a week of walking and subway rides was that in Japan or at least Tokyo, people seem to understand and accept that you do certain things for the common good much more so than in the US. I'm not so much considering this on the local scale where efforts for community well being are more noticeable in the US. I'm speaking of national scale. It made me take a hard look at how we handle homelessness, mental illness, healthcare and simple day to day interactions. I am not without fault in being selfish but I try to be aware and look at the bigger picture when I can.
In closing, i will say that the biggest problem we may have is our feeling of exceptionalism. Is the "Western Nations collective" ( what ever that is)really the best ever? If you want to wave the big foam rubber number one finger, I say have at it. Most of our issues revolve around thinking our tribe is better than your tribe. Over and out.
I don't think that individually, your big diesel truck makes much of a difference. I don't think the EV that I drive and charge with the help of PV panels on my roof makes a dent either. It is, however, an issue of scale. The millions and millions of diesels do make an impact as does the slow but steady slide toward EVs. Before you say " "but what is the impact of making and disposing of those batteries and PV cells etc"., I understand that there is a price to be paid. In the long run, based on what I've read on both sides I think moving away from fossile fuels is good for all of us and that environmental harm and health issues will diminish as they did with reduction in smoking. Same with the use of plastics. Do I deny your right to drive a big truck? Certainly not. Will I try to convince people that unless you really need a large vehicle ( and you may need yours, I know not) that there are advantages to driving more efficient ones? Absolutely.
I have no idea if human life may become extinct. If we do it may be for reasons unrelated to what we drive. If, for example the native pollinators and cultivated bees are struggling to survive or actually are reduced to being ineffective at filling their niech it may be a bigger blow than greenhouse gas pollution. How many people will say "gee, we didn't see that coming" despite 20 years of warnings by bee keepers and ecologists.
If it matters not to you, well than there we are aren't we? I recently had the opportunity to visit Tokyo and yes I flew on a big smelly 787. The fascinating thing I noticed after a week of walking and subway rides was that in Japan or at least Tokyo, people seem to understand and accept that you do certain things for the common good much more so than in the US. I'm not so much considering this on the local scale where efforts for community well being are more noticeable in the US. I'm speaking of national scale. It made me take a hard look at how we handle homelessness, mental illness, healthcare and simple day to day interactions. I am not without fault in being selfish but I try to be aware and look at the bigger picture when I can.
In closing, i will say that the biggest problem we may have is our feeling of exceptionalism. Is the "Western Nations collective" ( what ever that is)really the best ever? If you want to wave the big foam rubber number one finger, I say have at it. Most of our issues revolve around thinking our tribe is better than your tribe. Over and out.
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Assuming that man discovers a way to manipulate climate change, who would become the keeper of the thermostat? Living in a northern latitude, my vote is for a setting a few degrees warmer.
Crab, almost all the climate myths and mythinformation is rooted in selective use of facts.
There is a good scientific site that debunks all of the favourites and then some.
Go browse and you will find answers to most, if not all, misconceptions.
Wrt your CO2/temp question https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=25
There is a good scientific site that debunks all of the favourites and then some.
Go browse and you will find answers to most, if not all, misconceptions.
Wrt your CO2/temp question https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=25
Have a close look at their graph - from 22000 years ago to 10.000 years ago there was a change in temperature of 9 degrees and a corresponding increase in CO2 ppm from 180 to 260.
Now apply that relationship to the last 70 years where we have had a bigger increase in CO2 (about 120 ppm) which, if there is true correlation, should equate to a temperature increase of 13 degrees - where is that then???
Their graph shows temperature up to the present but the CO2 graph stops at 2000 years ago - and that is supposed to be scientific? It is designed to show a rapid increase in CO2 (remember the hockey stick?) as the slope of the graph is at its steepest but the temperature remains steady - no correlation and their own graph doesn't match their own conclusions.
There is much made about changes in the earth's orbit many thousands of years ago driving the change in sunlight and temperature but no actual figures (perhaps documenting the increase in solar energy) we are just expected to take it as fact.
If that is the condescending best the 'scientific' community can do to stop people asking questions - and the burden of proof is most definitely on them - then I hang my head in despair.
