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What a great move, sell the HQ in Vancouver should make a mint out of the money made there. Relocate all the staff from Vancouver enjoy the sandy beaches and we will have a win win situation. At least we won't have to worry about abiding by Canadian Labor laws .... Please let us know when this will happen can't say that you will have the support of your office staff experiencing what the rest of us do.
When you do let us know ... should be a great move
When you do let us know ... should be a great move
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HQ move to Bolama.
Finally CHC have seen the light. Why put up with all the regulations and laws of a country as retarded as Canada when a corporate haven is waiting. The true spirit of free enterprise.
CHC management... I am disappointed in the fact that you did not include CHC's latest press release of the company's intention to relocate.
" CHC GO has come to the conclusion that its greatest liability is its pilots. Their salary mass is enormous; they are weenies whinnies and now there is a threat of a pending union that could make their salary mass even bigger. So the resolution of our last corporate meeting is that all pilots employment will be terminated. This should free lots of money and will enable us to avoid the move to Bolama. The new found funds will be use to buy many more desks for our YVR HQ and to hire more people to park behind these desks. Having no pilots on our workforce will make our operation a very smooth one."
So there it is. I think we will see better things for the future from our world class company.
CHC management... I am disappointed in the fact that you did not include CHC's latest press release of the company's intention to relocate.
" CHC GO has come to the conclusion that its greatest liability is its pilots. Their salary mass is enormous; they are weenies whinnies and now there is a threat of a pending union that could make their salary mass even bigger. So the resolution of our last corporate meeting is that all pilots employment will be terminated. This should free lots of money and will enable us to avoid the move to Bolama. The new found funds will be use to buy many more desks for our YVR HQ and to hire more people to park behind these desks. Having no pilots on our workforce will make our operation a very smooth one."
So there it is. I think we will see better things for the future from our world class company.
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Please note that CHC will only contact applicants for this posting based on demand for additional personnel. Sorry, no phone calls please.
They dont seem to reply to applications. Have anyone else here tried and received a reply from them??
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cougar77,
You just have to be patient - I had to wait nearly 9 months for a reply. It's a bit like meet the girl, get drunk, things happen then just before the baby is due she finally says she wants to marry you
You just have to be patient - I had to wait nearly 9 months for a reply. It's a bit like meet the girl, get drunk, things happen then just before the baby is due she finally says she wants to marry you
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Aquila13,
Just 7 pers to operate the helo. Sounds grand.
We'll fire the flight followers, the regulator/customer won't mind if we dispense with the flight watch. We'll fire the flight coordinator, the customer can contact one of the pilots whenever there is an issue, that won't impact crew rest at all. The engineers aren't busy so we'll get rid of the stores as well. We'll all take turns at billing and accounts, payroll too, that should be OK, the minor hiccups won't be noticed. I'd love to spend all my off time arranging work permits, making flight bookings, and chasing down someone in the ExxonMobil bureaucracy.
We'll contract out all the maintenance (hangar), cleaning, vehicle support/driving, baggage handling, customer check-in. The pax won't notice the change in level of service.
Now, pilots and engineers: each a/c is 24/7, so i think the engineers would like to have a day off. That means more like 4 engineers: 2 in country (one day, one night) and 2 at home. I'm thinking 8 pilots/4 crews with the same logic...unless you want them to fly all day and hold medevac call all night. But you are too honest to try that trick. So I guess we have 12 pointy-enders, not 7. The night pilots will likely be in the hangar anyway helping the lone engineer change a blade. Apprentices and helpers are just costly overhead.
Now let's be a little more serious. If the 'association' that smells like a union wants more support, it needs to take a much more realistic view of what it takes to run a company. I haven't been in charge of much more than my a/c in quite some time but I haven't forgotten everything it takes to be a manager.
An engine isn't just a few pistons, spark plugs and fuel floating in space. There needs to be a structure, coherent and efficient, that supports it.
The logic you used in manning must really help when you apply to CRM (I couldn't help it, it's just so PC and easy).
Yes, I am CHC. No, I have not joined the 'association'. I would like to have more information before ponying up cash and having my 'vote' used for good or ill. And yes, it will be used. Used to demonstrate that I am behind the movement. I certainly don't think all is rosy but if you want my support, don't treat me like cattle.
Just 7 pers to operate the helo. Sounds grand.
We'll fire the flight followers, the regulator/customer won't mind if we dispense with the flight watch. We'll fire the flight coordinator, the customer can contact one of the pilots whenever there is an issue, that won't impact crew rest at all. The engineers aren't busy so we'll get rid of the stores as well. We'll all take turns at billing and accounts, payroll too, that should be OK, the minor hiccups won't be noticed. I'd love to spend all my off time arranging work permits, making flight bookings, and chasing down someone in the ExxonMobil bureaucracy.
We'll contract out all the maintenance (hangar), cleaning, vehicle support/driving, baggage handling, customer check-in. The pax won't notice the change in level of service.
Now, pilots and engineers: each a/c is 24/7, so i think the engineers would like to have a day off. That means more like 4 engineers: 2 in country (one day, one night) and 2 at home. I'm thinking 8 pilots/4 crews with the same logic...unless you want them to fly all day and hold medevac call all night. But you are too honest to try that trick. So I guess we have 12 pointy-enders, not 7. The night pilots will likely be in the hangar anyway helping the lone engineer change a blade. Apprentices and helpers are just costly overhead.
Now let's be a little more serious. If the 'association' that smells like a union wants more support, it needs to take a much more realistic view of what it takes to run a company. I haven't been in charge of much more than my a/c in quite some time but I haven't forgotten everything it takes to be a manager.
An engine isn't just a few pistons, spark plugs and fuel floating in space. There needs to be a structure, coherent and efficient, that supports it.
The logic you used in manning must really help when you apply to CRM (I couldn't help it, it's just so PC and easy).
Yes, I am CHC. No, I have not joined the 'association'. I would like to have more information before ponying up cash and having my 'vote' used for good or ill. And yes, it will be used. Used to demonstrate that I am behind the movement. I certainly don't think all is rosy but if you want my support, don't treat me like cattle.
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Swamp76 has obviously never been to Nigeria, is probably a manager and can't read, since Aquila talked about 5 pilots per aircraft (and no, that's not in country). Each aircraft is certainly not 24/7, there is not 1 engineer per aircraft and Nigeria is too dangerous to have night shifts in the hangar. The pilots are the only ones who are out flying in harms way for a percentage of every day.
Get with the program man - you're really Brian Clegg aren't you?
Get with the program man - you're really Brian Clegg aren't you?
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MamaPut,
Yes, i believe that CHC will contact only when the need for additional personnel is required, meanwhile all applications will probably be filed in a cabinet for future reference.
Yes, i believe that CHC will contact only when the need for additional personnel is required, meanwhile all applications will probably be filed in a cabinet for future reference.
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Cattle?
At every base I have worked at, there was 2 crew on site and 2 crew at home per aircraft. I have allocated 1 extra pilot per aircraft to make up for training and other pilots that do not fly the line. I also have never seen more than one engineer per aircraft at any given time at any base.
As far as night standby is concerned,
Quote: "unless you want them to fly all day and hold medevac call all night"
It is exactly what the company requires crews to do on single aircraft base.
As far as night standby is concerned,
Quote: "unless you want them to fly all day and hold medevac call all night"
It is exactly what the company requires crews to do on single aircraft base.
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Well said.
The crewing from Aquila13 make perfect sense to me. It is pretty much what I have seen my prior bases.
I am on a single aircraft base and I am on 24/7 and that's got to change but I am dismissed everytime I bring it up to YVR.
I am on a single aircraft base and I am on 24/7 and that's got to change but I am dismissed everytime I bring it up to YVR.
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Plakstift,
Unless the customer actually cares that their day crew is covering night standby they won't pony up the jink required for the second crew,ie. low budget companies.
The CARs allows for the use of one crew on 24/7 as long as the flights are emergency flights and that the crew abondons ship for 24 hours as soon as the patient is droppped off where ever that may be. Check your OMA the details are in there.
If you don't like this set up but still don't want to abandon some poor slob that got injured on the rig by declaring crew rest, a little customer education can help. Usually customers that don't get the second crew don't know the rules, regulations or the ramifications of the single crew operation.
Unless the customer actually cares that their day crew is covering night standby they won't pony up the jink required for the second crew,ie. low budget companies.
The CARs allows for the use of one crew on 24/7 as long as the flights are emergency flights and that the crew abondons ship for 24 hours as soon as the patient is droppped off where ever that may be. Check your OMA the details are in there.
If you don't like this set up but still don't want to abandon some poor slob that got injured on the rig by declaring crew rest, a little customer education can help. Usually customers that don't get the second crew don't know the rules, regulations or the ramifications of the single crew operation.
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Alrighty then...
I was attempting to present a deliberately absurd counterpoint to the contention that CHC should have only 7 employees per a/c, as all others are just leeches profitting from our hard work.
To start, we were talking about CHC Global, not one base. Aquila was also professing his ideal staffing, not what exists right now. I contend that he has missed the mark.
Mamaput: The PH engineers are in the hangar from 0600 to 2200 each day. I'm thinking they would like less than a 14 hour day for 42 days straight.
No too long ago there were 14 a/c in PH, with 2 on night cover, and a NCAR mandated one day off per week. That translates into 72 pilots for 14 a/c (5.1 pilots/machine in and out of country) with no extra trg guy.
Aquila: I will plead ignorance on single a/c bases as I haven't worked one. The smallest I worked was 2 a/c, which used 6 pilots and 4 engineers on site (so 12 and 8 total) plus a BM.
On these bases I have been asked to fly during the day and be the night cover guy. I have done it when it was for a genuinely unforeseeable event (malaria) and refused when it was for something else (they sent in a pilot without a night rating).
Pero Rojo: That is the typical interpretation of the 'medevac exemption' but I have personally interpreted it that if the customer has asked for the capability, then it is a service they have paid for, and it therefore cannot be viewed as unforeseen.
I got my management chat for being 'not a team player' on this issue. I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment:
I'm all for improving things but I maintain that 7 pers per a/c is unrealistic for the company to operate effectively. Vancouver is bloated right now but I think our employment would be shortlived if there was noone there.
As for my association stance: I want an association to which I can give my support that is proactive, effective, and positive. Not confrontational at every opportunity and unrealistic.
I was attempting to present a deliberately absurd counterpoint to the contention that CHC should have only 7 employees per a/c, as all others are just leeches profitting from our hard work.
To start, we were talking about CHC Global, not one base. Aquila was also professing his ideal staffing, not what exists right now. I contend that he has missed the mark.
Mamaput: The PH engineers are in the hangar from 0600 to 2200 each day. I'm thinking they would like less than a 14 hour day for 42 days straight.
No too long ago there were 14 a/c in PH, with 2 on night cover, and a NCAR mandated one day off per week. That translates into 72 pilots for 14 a/c (5.1 pilots/machine in and out of country) with no extra trg guy.
Aquila: I will plead ignorance on single a/c bases as I haven't worked one. The smallest I worked was 2 a/c, which used 6 pilots and 4 engineers on site (so 12 and 8 total) plus a BM.
On these bases I have been asked to fly during the day and be the night cover guy. I have done it when it was for a genuinely unforeseeable event (malaria) and refused when it was for something else (they sent in a pilot without a night rating).
Pero Rojo: That is the typical interpretation of the 'medevac exemption' but I have personally interpreted it that if the customer has asked for the capability, then it is a service they have paid for, and it therefore cannot be viewed as unforeseen.
I got my management chat for being 'not a team player' on this issue. I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment:
If you don't like this set up but still don't want to abandon some poor slob that got injured on the rig by declaring crew rest, a little customer education can help. Usually customers that don't get the second crew don't know the rules, regulations or the ramifications of the single crew operation.
As for my association stance: I want an association to which I can give my support that is proactive, effective, and positive. Not confrontational at every opportunity and unrealistic.
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Swamp76,
If you've been to Port Harcourt you'd know that the engineers are not in the hangar from 0600 to 2200 (which by the way is 16 hours). They do a spell on earlies from 0600 to 1400 and a spell on lates from 1300 to around 2100. On the changeover day from earlies to lates they get a 24 hour break (which I totally agree does not equate to a day off.
The pilots on night standby all have a day off after finishing their night standby.
If you've been to Port Harcourt you'd know that the engineers are not in the hangar from 0600 to 2200 (which by the way is 16 hours). They do a spell on earlies from 0600 to 1400 and a spell on lates from 1300 to around 2100. On the changeover day from earlies to lates they get a 24 hour break (which I totally agree does not equate to a day off.
The pilots on night standby all have a day off after finishing their night standby.
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You are correct, my math is off.
Again, I was referring back to Aquila's ideal 2 engineers per a/c and 5 pilots per a/c (which I felt was absurd).
I was about to try and reply directly to some of Aquila's other comments but they all appear to have been deleted.
I'm still not sure what your stance is on the 'ideal' staffing? That was what I was debating. The reason for my ire was that I do not want to be represented by a group that has such a short-sighted view of the company as a whole and Aquila appeared to be involved in said group.
I hope I have sufficiently clarified myself.
Again, I was referring back to Aquila's ideal 2 engineers per a/c and 5 pilots per a/c (which I felt was absurd).
I was about to try and reply directly to some of Aquila's other comments but they all appear to have been deleted.
I'm still not sure what your stance is on the 'ideal' staffing? That was what I was debating. The reason for my ire was that I do not want to be represented by a group that has such a short-sighted view of the company as a whole and Aquila appeared to be involved in said group.
I hope I have sufficiently clarified myself.
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S76,
OK, now I can see where you're coming from and you're (probably) not Brain Clegg. You and Aquila both have some good points to make, but if either of you want your view to prevail, you've got to be more specific and come up with facts, not generalisations. This is a good debate at present, so keep the points coming guys because out of the fallout from a discussion like this even CHC blockheads may learn something (if they don't want the company to crash and burn!) and move on to a consensus where the employees are happier and what should be a world-class company actually is.
OK, now I can see where you're coming from and you're (probably) not Brain Clegg
. You and Aquila both have some good points to make, but if either of you want your view to prevail, you've got to be more specific and come up with facts, not generalisations. This is a good debate at present, so keep the points coming guys because out of the fallout from a discussion like this even CHC blockheads may learn something (if they don't want the company to crash and burn!) and move on to a consensus where the employees are happier and what should be a world-class company actually is.
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Pilots down tools at Aero
Sure has made some interesting reading from the above thread on the Africa forum. Interesting to see CHC GO involvement in the decision making process. Swamp 76 is not BC I would rather say IR from Aus who is now in Vancouver