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Old 4th Feb 2013, 16:49
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Reports of a third R66 fatal in Brazil at the beginning of the month: ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 152438.
This accident is very likely to have been caused by bad weather, CFIT. They found the remains of the wreckage on a hill. Weather was shi%$y at the time. Pilot was a Private Pilot non IFR rated.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 10:49
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I'm not really a 'Robinson person' but I take my hat off to what old Frank achieved for the industry in terms of making rotary-wing operations increasingly accessible through cost-effectiveness.

And .. I've not been following the 'progress' of the R66 that closely either but .. this Helihub report seems interesting:

Sloane Helicopters, the UK and Ireland Robinson Dealer since the mid 1970's has, along with many other potential European buyers, been frustrated at the delays to EASA certification of the R66.

During the original FAA certification of the R66, the FAA granted Robinson an exemption from the redundant control valve regulation. Several non US countries do not accept exemptions;

Therefore, Robinson elected to work with the FAA to establish an Equivalent Level of Safety (ELOS) finding, thereby negating the need for the exemption.

The ELOS involved a rigorous analysis and test program to demonstrate the single-valve design was equivalent in safety to a redundant design. Robinson has now received the ELOS, which will remove the exemption from the R66 hydraulic control system.

This should therefore open the way for the R66 to be certified by those Authorities that do not accept exemptions. We therefore wait with interest to learn of EASA's response to this significant step.
Sloane Helicopters encouraged with R66 development | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 11:04
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Now is that like Sk saying our gearbox will never leak all it's oil ?
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 15:51
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No, because unlike the S92 and its gearbox, it is quite easy to fly the R66 without hydraulics. No different than an R44.
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Think you are missing 500e's the point there, manufactureres will do and say anything to save money
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 17:26
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No, because unlike the S92 and its gearbox, it is quite easy to fly the R66 without hydraulics. No different than an R44.
I understand, from an experienced instructor who has undertaken the official conversion course, that the R66 can fly fairly easily hydraulics off, but some manoeuvres produce an exceptionally heavy cyclic, far greater than in the R44, and enough to be of concern.
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 19:58
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Like someone else has said I've been told by someone who has flown them that with the hydraulics off the forces involved made him worried that the cyclic stick might actually break. He is a big bloke and he was struggling to put enough force in to make it move the way he wanted. This is someone with many thousands of hours. Robbos have and will continue to be a source of design related problems.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 09:00
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UK allows uncertified R66 to fly commercially

Helihub, Brooklands, 11th March 2013

Here in the UK we have had some recent high-profile general media stories about huge international organisations avoiding tax. Household names including Amazon, Google and Starbucks were splashed across the headlines - each of them using various legal tactics to minimise their UK tax payment. While these activities may be ethically dubious, they are all perfectly within the law as it is written. Tactics like paying a "licence fee" to another group company, which happens to reside in a lower-taxed country, which all but wipes out any profits made in the UK.

And so we come to helicopters.

In the UK, aircraft type certification is under the remit of EASA, and it is widely known that the Robinson R66 does not yet have their approval and sales across Europe are stagnated. That said, there are in fact examples of the R66 operating commercially in the UK, fully within the regulations as they stand.

We noted recently that Heliair were operating an R66 on a pipeline contract (including the actual aircraft featured in the photos here), which comes within the definition of the "Aerial Work" and not the "Passenger Transport" flavour of commercial flying.

The CAA's Richard Taylor confirmed to HeliHub.com that "providing it has a current Certificate of Airworthiness, an aircraft on the US register can indeed undertake aerial work in the UK, but not public transport flights. The operator of the aircraft needs to apply to the Department of Transport [DfT] for a permit. The DfT would usually need to see the CoA and Certificate of Registration as well as the log book. Depending on the type of aerial work undertaken, exemptions might also be needed from the CAA, such as a low flying exemption for pipeline recognisance [sic] etc."

Mr Taylor also confirmed "An aircraft with a Standard Certificate of Airworthiness under ICAO provisions, such as the R66, may indeed be permitted to do aerial work in the UK even though it has not yet been type certified by EASA." and that "The DfT have indeed issued some aerial work permits for N-reg R66s"

So, Heliair are completely inside the rules and regulations from the UK point of view, and have complied with the Department for Transport permit requirements. Like the tax story above, the ethics of what they are doing is dubious, but they _ARE_ inside the law as the CAA explained to us. Is the law a sham?

Just last week, the longer-established UK distributor Sloane Helicopters issued the following press release - Sloane Helicopters encouraged with R66 development although it is obviously still focusing on the EASA certification issue.

HeliHub.com went to some lengths to elicit a statement on the situation from Heliair, but they have not responded to us.

BHA Chief Executive Peter Norton, whose organisation represents British helicopter operators, gave the following response to HeliHub.com "I have no issue with the granting of an Aerial Work permission to operators who wish to use an N registered aircraft from within their own fleet subject to the agreement of the DfT and compliance with UK regulations. In the case of the R66, useful operational experience with the type will support future UK sales once the aircraft has been certificated by EASA." Interesting! Perhaps we have unearthed a sales opportunity that has been previously overlooked?

There are currently ten Robinson R66s in the UK, all on the N register. There are a similar number again in total spread among other countries around Europe including Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland and Spain. The aircraft operating on Aerial Work in the UK are fitted with HISL (High Intensity Strobe Light) as shown in the image below.
UK allows uncertified R66 to fly commercially | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 10:02
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So what is the point of having any aircraft other than AOC machines on an EASA reg ? Thought the idea of DFT approval was where there was no viable option for use of a national reg machine ?
not sure why I really bother anymore if EASA /CAA allow this ( not having a go at the R66 just the principle as it doesnt produce a level playing field)
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 12:08
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Bit hysterical I thought. Won't someone think of the children!
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Canada certifies the R66

Not sure if it had been mentioned already, but I know that the question has come up from time to time.
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The sticking point had been that during certification of the R66, the FAA granted Robinson an exemption from a regulation requiring hydraulic control systems be designed with an alternate or redundant system in place in case of failure.

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Old 8th Jul 2013, 07:34
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Sav,

I can confirm (for what it's worth !) that flying the 66 with hydraulics OFF is quite easy. Very similar to the 44 (which you can land easily without hydraulics).

In fact when I did my endorsement on the machine, I landed more than once with no hydraulics, right on the spot I wanted to...no run on landing either.

So, without defending "Frank" and his boys, the exemption is not a big deal from a safety perspective. We have been flying the 66 in Aus for ages, and it's a great machine - HEAPS of power - really can take 5 people and fuel for a "fair dinkum" flight of more than 20 minutes !

Now, make the 120B (or 206B) perform like that and we would have some sort of choice !

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Old 8th Jul 2013, 11:18
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Interesting about Heli Air. There is a rule, however, that any aerial work flight conducted by an AOC holder must be conducted to AOC rules.

So, we must only assume that Heli Air per se is not "the operator" in this instance.
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Old 8th Jul 2013, 14:01
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R66 EASA certification

Hi all,

can somebody tell me how long it will take to get an EASA certification for the R66?

Many thanks
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Old 18th Jul 2013, 19:36
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Flying in Paradise

Herewith is one of the first photos of the Robinson R66 belonging to the Fish n' Fins dive company of Palau, registration T8A-39S.

This is the first of R66 in the Western Pacific region.

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Old 19th Jul 2013, 05:49
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Heli-news...

Great machine.

Looks like a pretty ordinary location though !

How much fun would it be to fly around there ?!

All the best,
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Old 20th Jul 2013, 20:37
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How many R66s are there actually delivered around the world now.
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How many R66s are there actually delivered around the world now.
Ian Corrigible seems to have his finger on the pulse of global heli sales so hopefully he'll show up.

Re: the heli in paradise - overlooking the fact that its a Robinson okay its a new helicopter with turbine power but - its operating in an area where most of the islets are less than a mile wide. How come then that they chose not to equip it with standby floats?
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Old 21st Jul 2013, 06:17
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There should be somewhere between 400 and 450 by now. Robinson was talking about "close to 400" when the 66 was certified in Canada end of May.
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Couple of pics of one here in NZ I shot.



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