SAR question...
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Ah leave Crab alone. It's always good to have a different point of view when raising issues such as night flying currency, lack of servicable cabs etc. As for the original question, we can fly upto four hours a shift, in fact I feel a few decks and maybe wets coming on this morning followed by a wee bit of IF to polish off the shift. In my experience of mil SAR I spent many more days looking out of the window not flying cos of 'eng' days, u/s cabs and flying too many hours of the aircraft due to jobs etc than I ever have in civi street. I can confidently say that I personally went from a 'don't fly if you don't have to' regime to one of 'fly as much as you can'. Still it's been three years now since I left the mob so things may have changed, then again!
So as a check of understanding for me............I question a statement in a post, I am immediately subjected to insults, others make wild claims like
'No one in their right mind likes night flying and it is often the least practised discipline within the military and civil sectors'.......
which is certainly not true in the military,
and I am the one accused of mud-slinging and creating p*ssing contests!
Several military posters have stated quite clearly how much night flying we do (a lot) but the actual amount of night flying training per shift in other outfits is still hidden behind 'look in CG3' (which guess what, I don't have).
Sven Sixtoo has articulated the reasons behind our high levels of training, we are not (at the moment) cost limited, but capability driven (for those that like management speak). Without rekindling previous vitriolic threads on this topic - if one crew flies one hour training a month at night and another crew flies 10 hours a month, who is likely to have the better night capability?
'No one in their right mind likes night flying and it is often the least practised discipline within the military and civil sectors'.......
which is certainly not true in the military,
and I am the one accused of mud-slinging and creating p*ssing contests!
Several military posters have stated quite clearly how much night flying we do (a lot) but the actual amount of night flying training per shift in other outfits is still hidden behind 'look in CG3' (which guess what, I don't have).
Sven Sixtoo has articulated the reasons behind our high levels of training, we are not (at the moment) cost limited, but capability driven (for those that like management speak). Without rekindling previous vitriolic threads on this topic - if one crew flies one hour training a month at night and another crew flies 10 hours a month, who is likely to have the better night capability?
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Crab Crab Crab
Boy oh Boy do you know how to wind people up
Can I ask you is it not Quality of night training carried out by each crew rather than Quantity of hours flown?
Boy oh Boy do you know how to wind people up
Can I ask you is it not Quality of night training carried out by each crew rather than Quantity of hours flown?
Justintime - yes it's just a natural talent I guess
But you are right, quality is vital.
Irishsarboy - you didn't do a tour at Leconfield did you?
But you are right, quality is vital.Irishsarboy - you didn't do a tour at Leconfield did you?
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Ah, some things never change...
Been away from PP for a while - good to see the mil/civ debate still simmering away!
Surely the civvy lack of banter capability is a significant decision driver for the SAR(H) planners?! Given that most civ crews are ex-mil I can only presume that:
1 - They're ex RN and had their humour surgically removed when they left.
2 - They're ex RAF and so never had a sense of humour.
3 - They're pedigree civs and so just don't understand humour at all - but I understand the pressure you must be under knowing that if you break the chopper you'll get in a lot of trouble with accounts!
Yours militarily dragging the debate to infant level,
SB
Surely the civvy lack of banter capability is a significant decision driver for the SAR(H) planners?! Given that most civ crews are ex-mil I can only presume that:
1 - They're ex RN and had their humour surgically removed when they left.
2 - They're ex RAF and so never had a sense of humour.
3 - They're pedigree civs and so just don't understand humour at all - but I understand the pressure you must be under knowing that if you break the chopper you'll get in a lot of trouble with accounts!
Yours militarily dragging the debate to infant level,
SB
