Flying over London: Heli-lanes etc
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Creaser - I think the Hemel fire was bigger in that it went up to 20,000ft but same radius.
What I find unsatisfactory about the TRA process is that DAP who vet, process and then issue them as Notams do not, I suspect, have the formal right to question the dimensions.
This TRA, and many previous ones, are quite evidently designed to keep the newsgathering aircraft out. If noise were the issue, and it can be of course, (e.g train crash or building collapse where people are trying to listen for sounds of survivors) then the height limit should be the same as the radius.
If its protection for police/ambulance aircraft then 2miles and 2000ft should be ample.
Hey ho, to whom do we complain about all this? Oh yes, the Police themselves!
What I find unsatisfactory about the TRA process is that DAP who vet, process and then issue them as Notams do not, I suspect, have the formal right to question the dimensions.
This TRA, and many previous ones, are quite evidently designed to keep the newsgathering aircraft out. If noise were the issue, and it can be of course, (e.g train crash or building collapse where people are trying to listen for sounds of survivors) then the height limit should be the same as the radius.
If its protection for police/ambulance aircraft then 2miles and 2000ft should be ample.
Hey ho, to whom do we complain about all this? Oh yes, the Police themselves!
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This TRA is causing a big safety problem. The squeeze near Stapleford is simply too tight. Having been around there several times this week, it's more than unsettling with this fine weather to see so many aircraft trying to circumnavigate the TRA. The weather maybe fine and tempting - but the viz isn't. And as most are going for the Stapleford overhead to clear their ATZ......it's just an accident waiting to happen.
Must be a nightmare for Thames Radar.
Really can't understand why a TRA has to actually become a danger.
It's still valid (until Monday) - even though the police appear to be accepting that they aren't finding what they expected.
MBJ - complaints to DAP AUS.
Must be a nightmare for Thames Radar.
Really can't understand why a TRA has to actually become a danger.
It's still valid (until Monday) - even though the police appear to be accepting that they aren't finding what they expected.
MBJ - complaints to DAP AUS.
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Had fun with the TRA on wednesday doing a charity flight for the old bill, got as far as london bridge turned around just as they changed runways and would not accept an airport crossing had to go all the way to the QE2 bridge to get back to elstree. but thanks to the guy on special who was very helpful to this muppet.
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If you can't handle the viz - don't go flying.
Thames Radar
Well done; you did a great job dealing with the muppets.
The weather maybe fine and tempting - but the viz isn't.
Thames Radar
Well done; you did a great job dealing with the muppets.
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If you can't handle the viz - don't go flying.
Skidkid, it's not me I'm worried about. It was the 3 FW at the same height over Stapleford within 20 secs and some severe avoidance measures which made us believe that they didn't see us until very late.
I take it you were there ?
Looking at your previous posts here, I'd take a gamble that you are a police pilot. Or observer.
So you'd know a lot about flying around a TRA at 2000ft.......
I'll join the "well done" to Thames - but let's not forget that this TRA trampled into uncontrolled airspace and not all the traffic was obliged to be on radio. Certainly the ones we saw above Stapleford's ATZ were there because they didn't want to be on radio - which is the reason why they were all just over 2000' AGL.
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Originally Posted by Rushes
surely this is just to keep out the media aircraft 
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......The police occasionally ask for media blackouts which the media comply.
Why not do this instead of creating TRAs especially at incidents where helicopters do not interfere with public saftey.
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Just wait 'til the Olympics, you ain't see nut'n yet!
(Is anybody out there thinking about it yet? cos it'll take from now til then to sort it out).
.....and good luck to all at Silverstone this weekend.
Cheers
JerryG
(Is anybody out there thinking about it yet? cos it'll take from now til then to sort it out).
.....and good luck to all at Silverstone this weekend.
Cheers
JerryG
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Landing a heli in south london
Question for those of you who may do this same kind of thing...
just bought a Hughes 500c and am looking to land it occaisionally at my plant yard in Mitcham, South London. The link below shows the whereabouts on multi-map. It's actually outside the Heathrow TMA/CTA.
There is a large open area (Mitcham Common) to the South of the proposed landing site. This probably helps? Does anyone know the actual law regarding landing a heli in this type of area?
It's a predominantly industrial surrounding area so neighbours would be doing well to hear the helicopter landing during the day.
Thanks for help in advance...http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...=9&scale=10000
just bought a Hughes 500c and am looking to land it occaisionally at my plant yard in Mitcham, South London. The link below shows the whereabouts on multi-map. It's actually outside the Heathrow TMA/CTA.
There is a large open area (Mitcham Common) to the South of the proposed landing site. This probably helps? Does anyone know the actual law regarding landing a heli in this type of area?
It's a predominantly industrial surrounding area so neighbours would be doing well to hear the helicopter landing during the day.
Thanks for help in advance...http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.c...=9&scale=10000
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It's not so much the neighbours you need to worry about. It's the CAA who will require you to get their written permission for any landing site within a congested area. See Rule 5 in CAP 393 via CAA website. And, if it's a GA flight, you will need to write to CAA SRG GA at Gatwick - Keith Thomas.
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Battersea to Brent resevoir, then the 133 radial from Bovingdon all at 1500' is the normal twin routing. This should bring you out of the zone just south of Elstree.
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Max - yes you can... again level at 1500ft.
All this is subject traffic into LCY/Northolt and Battersea itself. When busy expect routing to Vauxhall Bridge and North to Alexandra Palace.
All this is subject traffic into LCY/Northolt and Battersea itself. When busy expect routing to Vauxhall Bridge and North to Alexandra Palace.
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Max;
I'd strongly suggest taking someone more experienced with you first time if you can, I think AlanM would concur with that one. The LHR/LCY zones are not a good place for DIY instruction. Also don't forget that if you are going into Battersea you need a dual check and briefing from ATC on arrival. Chances are however that you already know the zone from flying singles/mil around it in which case all of the above is totally irrelevant!
VH
I'd strongly suggest taking someone more experienced with you first time if you can, I think AlanM would concur with that one. The LHR/LCY zones are not a good place for DIY instruction. Also don't forget that if you are going into Battersea you need a dual check and briefing from ATC on arrival. Chances are however that you already know the zone from flying singles/mil around it in which case all of the above is totally irrelevant!
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Indeed - good points VH!
We get a lot of aircraft that are not regulars doing smallish mistakes that can cause a bit of chaos.
Very recently, a local operator flew down H7 at 1500ft instead of 1000ft. Therefore there was less than 500ft separation from traffic landing on 27L at LHR - and there were quite a few TCAS probs and losses of separation (gets investigated as a level bust and "airprox" in the same way as two 747s 500ft apart!)
Not trying to put you off - just need to emphasise that prior briefing/famil can save you! Enjoy the views.... but stay on the ball!! I HATE PAPERWORK
We get a lot of aircraft that are not regulars doing smallish mistakes that can cause a bit of chaos.
Very recently, a local operator flew down H7 at 1500ft instead of 1000ft. Therefore there was less than 500ft separation from traffic landing on 27L at LHR - and there were quite a few TCAS probs and losses of separation (gets investigated as a level bust and "airprox" in the same way as two 747s 500ft apart!)
Not trying to put you off - just need to emphasise that prior briefing/famil can save you! Enjoy the views.... but stay on the ball!! I HATE PAPERWORK