Vic Police Air Wing On The Move?
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I would rather sail my boat or race my REX off road. Hols are for time to re-cage your gyros.
Max.
I would rather sail my boat or race my REX off road. Hols are for time to re-cage your gyros.
Max.
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Okay you two, time to close the Esso PR department for the night.
Just how do you manage to compare Esso to two companies that actually offer an equal time roster?
Bristow: 14 days on / 14 days off
Esso: 4 days off each fortnight, i.e. 20 days on / 8 days off
Or were you counting your night standby duties as off days?? In that case, when you get called in, you'd be working on your time off.....sheeesh!!
Out of CHC, Bristow, Esso and VicPol, it is Esso which comes bottom of the heap in terms of time off (both quality & quantity) - the only one NOT to offer an equal time roster.
While we're at it, how about comparing annual flying rates & duty hours
Places like Esso, CHC, Bristows are all about working 7 days out of 14
Bristow: 14 days on / 14 days off
Esso: 4 days off each fortnight, i.e. 20 days on / 8 days off
Or were you counting your night standby duties as off days?? In that case, when you get called in, you'd be working on your time off.....sheeesh!!
Out of CHC, Bristow, Esso and VicPol, it is Esso which comes bottom of the heap in terms of time off (both quality & quantity) - the only one NOT to offer an equal time roster.
While we're at it, how about comparing annual flying rates & duty hours
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Oh yeah....better believe it. Time is gold. Forget floating helis, I think a days sailing in the bay is in order....as soon as I can get a couple of free days together to clean it and service the bearings on my trailer.
We all like our vacations. Plenty of time for to take a gap for a quality break. You could ski a month overseas and still work for five weeks of your leave and/or generous time off associated with the current VPAW shift models.
The point I make is that the "similar" money is there if you want to work similar number of weeks a year. Not for everyone. AND there are a significant number of VPAW and others who actually do run viable businesses and ski (cheaply midweek) as well.
(The chaser has given me a bit of a guinness rush so indulge me as I drift off topic a bit).
A change is as good as a holiday and whether you fly to gain more ticks in the box or run a XXXX video shop or send racehorse rations to bongo congo racing club, then money is there for reasonable effort.....as it should be.
I can't think of any offshore guys working 7 days out of 14. That may be the time they are at work, but my intell from "The Tiger" is that 7's a minimum and they also do up to 36 hrs on night standby as well in a fortnight. 0700 to 1700 is 10hrs.....then times 7 or 8 equals better than 70 hrs a fortnight at work plus 36 standby, so about 106hrs available to work, some whilst sleeping.....I don't hear them making choking noises about it, but. The contract F/O there will probably need to watch F&DT limits as they don't have the n/standby.
Tourers, live more like 15/13days or worse 6/6weeks, 7/5weeks and at post away from home for the full period. No six weeks A/L in the touring world I think. If we are thinking they "just" work six months a year that's something we should refer to them, partners and loved ones.
The SPIFR EMS side of the world are available for very long periods during the working roster with 14hr standbys prior to 24hr duty shifts, three times in 6 days with 3 days FOD. That works out to be 88 hrs a week available for duty (38*3, /9,*7) Some would choose this lifestyle but once again not for everyone and certainly not for the fainthearted! Again although some is done sleeping, I don't hear too many offshore guys scrambling over themselves to get into this.
Pretty much, I reckon that all these things have pros and cons. If it feels good then do it....discretely as necessary.
As for Moi....hmmm. my glass has become warm, can someone top me up..
DD
PS On topic Oh yeah, I reckon Docklands would be the obvious choice for relocation of VPAW. YMMB is too South centric as lots of villians live in the North and West as well. Fewer Nav and Radar fees, central to major CBD events, nice transport access, higher visual profile, better noise acceptance. I would above all suggest that the viability of police aviation would be enhanced by the likelihood of the crooks being caught because of it.
(edited because I misspelt Guinness)
We all like our vacations. Plenty of time for to take a gap for a quality break. You could ski a month overseas and still work for five weeks of your leave and/or generous time off associated with the current VPAW shift models.
The point I make is that the "similar" money is there if you want to work similar number of weeks a year. Not for everyone. AND there are a significant number of VPAW and others who actually do run viable businesses and ski (cheaply midweek) as well.
(The chaser has given me a bit of a guinness rush so indulge me as I drift off topic a bit).
A change is as good as a holiday and whether you fly to gain more ticks in the box or run a XXXX video shop or send racehorse rations to bongo congo racing club, then money is there for reasonable effort.....as it should be.
I can't think of any offshore guys working 7 days out of 14. That may be the time they are at work, but my intell from "The Tiger" is that 7's a minimum and they also do up to 36 hrs on night standby as well in a fortnight. 0700 to 1700 is 10hrs.....then times 7 or 8 equals better than 70 hrs a fortnight at work plus 36 standby, so about 106hrs available to work, some whilst sleeping.....I don't hear them making choking noises about it, but. The contract F/O there will probably need to watch F&DT limits as they don't have the n/standby.
Tourers, live more like 15/13days or worse 6/6weeks, 7/5weeks and at post away from home for the full period. No six weeks A/L in the touring world I think. If we are thinking they "just" work six months a year that's something we should refer to them, partners and loved ones.
The SPIFR EMS side of the world are available for very long periods during the working roster with 14hr standbys prior to 24hr duty shifts, three times in 6 days with 3 days FOD. That works out to be 88 hrs a week available for duty (38*3, /9,*7) Some would choose this lifestyle but once again not for everyone and certainly not for the fainthearted! Again although some is done sleeping, I don't hear too many offshore guys scrambling over themselves to get into this.
Pretty much, I reckon that all these things have pros and cons. If it feels good then do it....discretely as necessary.
As for Moi....hmmm. my glass has become warm, can someone top me up..
DD
PS On topic Oh yeah, I reckon Docklands would be the obvious choice for relocation of VPAW. YMMB is too South centric as lots of villians live in the North and West as well. Fewer Nav and Radar fees, central to major CBD events, nice transport access, higher visual profile, better noise acceptance. I would above all suggest that the viability of police aviation would be enhanced by the likelihood of the crooks being caught because of it.
(edited because I misspelt Guinness)
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Oi Rocket Surgeon,
You forgot to mention that in the case of the two companies that offer "genuine" equal time rosters that the "on" time is usually in some sh*t hole, away from your family and whatever quantifies your lifestyle.
So the Esso guys fly a lot. Is that a bad thing is it? They spend their off days (and yes, also their night standby days), polishing their hogs, boats and whatever.
How did we get so far off topic?
You forgot to mention that in the case of the two companies that offer "genuine" equal time rosters that the "on" time is usually in some sh*t hole, away from your family and whatever quantifies your lifestyle.
So the Esso guys fly a lot. Is that a bad thing is it? They spend their off days (and yes, also their night standby days), polishing their hogs, boats and whatever.
How did we get so far off topic?
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It may be your over zealous championing of the nirvana that is Esso. You surely couldn't expect to maintain the sycophantic double act with maxeemum without being called on a few points??
Enjoy your weekend in the bubble.....or are you PPRuNe-ing from the yacht/hog/REX/etc. (delete as appropriate)
Enjoy your weekend in the bubble.....or are you PPRuNe-ing from the yacht/hog/REX/etc. (delete as appropriate)
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sticks and stones...
Oh, I don't work there... didn't say it suited me, just that is a good deal if it suits you.
And I definetly know that touring makes my skin break out.
Oh, I don't work there... didn't say it suited me, just that is a good deal if it suits you.
And I definetly know that touring makes my skin break out.
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mmmmm Trought and Barra Isl, West Nigeria, SE Asia, Qatar, Gulf of Mexico,
In the words of Cartman from South Park "I do believe that sucks ass"
Each to his own. Good luck to all.
There are plenty of folks on their third marriage living on SAO biscuits trying to save as much of their DTA as they can that end up dead heading to Darwin so they can get to a "position position" location in order to strap in.
Again Beer O'clock
Max
In the words of Cartman from South Park "I do believe that sucks ass"
Each to his own. Good luck to all.
There are plenty of folks on their third marriage living on SAO biscuits trying to save as much of their DTA as they can that end up dead heading to Darwin so they can get to a "position position" location in order to strap in.
Again Beer O'clock
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Touchee Maxee,
You got me in 1. Dropped in from another thread having once been a card carrying member of the helo brigade.
I don't know if you've been told that Navy wings are made of gold.
Air Force wings still have some class as they're made of solid brass.
Army wings have little cred, rumour has it they're made of lead.
There I've said it - that should give you a clue as to my past.
Sick of my present position and thought I'd be in with a show at VPAW or maybe even esso, unfortunately I have little twin helo time, you young chaps have that all sewn up by the looks.
Good luck to you all - MMSoBGYTaST.
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You got me in 1. Dropped in from another thread having once been a card carrying member of the helo brigade.
I don't know if you've been told that Navy wings are made of gold.
Air Force wings still have some class as they're made of solid brass.
Army wings have little cred, rumour has it they're made of lead.
There I've said it - that should give you a clue as to my past.
Sick of my present position and thought I'd be in with a show at VPAW or maybe even esso, unfortunately I have little twin helo time, you young chaps have that all sewn up by the looks.
Good luck to you all - MMSoBGYTaST.
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hey folks,
the way I see it the grass can always seem greener on the other side of the fence.
I don't work for Vic Pol or ESSO or Jayrow but I have good friends in each of them and all these companies have alot to offer pilots down in Victoria. ESSO is an excellent job if you like RPT style of flying and living out of Sale in very much rural Victoria. Jayrow is becoming a force to reckon with in the offshore market with an excellent facility in Tooradin which is semi rural yet close to the hussle and bustle...this is a company to watch. And Vic Pol has been around along time (since 1979) flying ME SPIFR. It is in the hussle and busstle and is great flying because of its varied type of operations, from EMS to Police to SAR. The only complaint I get is mostly related to the CP who seems to have a very bombastic style of leadership. They operate two types of rosters, a 4 day on and 4 day off for the EMS (over an 8 week cycle) then its back to Police / SAR ops on a 10 hour roster (4 days on &3 days off). Yes they do get 9 weeks leave but then most helo operators offer 6 weeks and the extra 3 weeks is because the police pays for a 38 hour week + for working public holidays and weekends on a 24 hour shift system.
So I guess there is no perfect job...you just make the best of what you have then move on if its not to your liking!!
Oh by the way apparently CASA has already approved Vic Pol's NVG ops in principle and the only thing holding things up is the cockpit mod....aparently CHC has some issues and are holding things up. Once the cockpit is moded the green light will turn on for flight training to commence.
the way I see it the grass can always seem greener on the other side of the fence.
I don't work for Vic Pol or ESSO or Jayrow but I have good friends in each of them and all these companies have alot to offer pilots down in Victoria. ESSO is an excellent job if you like RPT style of flying and living out of Sale in very much rural Victoria. Jayrow is becoming a force to reckon with in the offshore market with an excellent facility in Tooradin which is semi rural yet close to the hussle and bustle...this is a company to watch. And Vic Pol has been around along time (since 1979) flying ME SPIFR. It is in the hussle and busstle and is great flying because of its varied type of operations, from EMS to Police to SAR. The only complaint I get is mostly related to the CP who seems to have a very bombastic style of leadership. They operate two types of rosters, a 4 day on and 4 day off for the EMS (over an 8 week cycle) then its back to Police / SAR ops on a 10 hour roster (4 days on &3 days off). Yes they do get 9 weeks leave but then most helo operators offer 6 weeks and the extra 3 weeks is because the police pays for a 38 hour week + for working public holidays and weekends on a 24 hour shift system.
So I guess there is no perfect job...you just make the best of what you have then move on if its not to your liking!!
Oh by the way apparently CASA has already approved Vic Pol's NVG ops in principle and the only thing holding things up is the cockpit mod....aparently CHC has some issues and are holding things up. Once the cockpit is moded the green light will turn on for flight training to commence.
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Yes I have heard your song many times in my previous career. Rum bum and C*M for you mate, is that politically correct?. If I had a dollar for every time I have heard that saying I wouldn't have to fly for a crust. Service life was good enjoyed the twin time and the fish milk shakes. Moved on and now running my own show. Huey, 206, Wessex all good however you should try and top up with some BK-117, 412, S-76 etc. Pay scales increase and options get better and varied.
Life is good now and glad I did my time to get the experience needed. ADF is a different place to when I was a boggie.
Are we off the track I suspect so. Good luck with V Pol. Esso are cut and dry with the twin time. 1500 hrs or resume in the bottom drawer.
Good luck with the recruitment drive.
PM me if you need some info on the scene.
Max.
Yes I have heard your song many times in my previous career. Rum bum and C*M for you mate, is that politically correct?. If I had a dollar for every time I have heard that saying I wouldn't have to fly for a crust. Service life was good enjoyed the twin time and the fish milk shakes. Moved on and now running my own show. Huey, 206, Wessex all good however you should try and top up with some BK-117, 412, S-76 etc. Pay scales increase and options get better and varied.
Life is good now and glad I did my time to get the experience needed. ADF is a different place to when I was a boggie.
Are we off the track I suspect so. Good luck with V Pol. Esso are cut and dry with the twin time. 1500 hrs or resume in the bottom drawer.
Good luck with the recruitment drive.
PM me if you need some info on the scene.
Max.
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DD mate you sound like a legend. If I am down VIC way and assuming you are there, drinks all round, and yes its my shout. One Guiness and one Kilkenny thanks.
Rivnut-Mate sounds like you have it scunned. Level headed approach.
Sounds like all of us agree that the industry is many and varied and will be around long after we all hang up our boots. The trick is to find a niche that offers what you need. When you find that place stay there as long as you can cause there are some full on ship wreck of aviators around the traps. I met a cabbie at Mascot the other day who was ex mil, Cathay pilot on his second marriage with no life and no job and absolutely hated everything and everybody-Poor Pri*k
Again I am off the track. Good luck and enjoy.
Max
Rivnut-Mate sounds like you have it scunned. Level headed approach.
Sounds like all of us agree that the industry is many and varied and will be around long after we all hang up our boots. The trick is to find a niche that offers what you need. When you find that place stay there as long as you can cause there are some full on ship wreck of aviators around the traps. I met a cabbie at Mascot the other day who was ex mil, Cathay pilot on his second marriage with no life and no job and absolutely hated everything and everybody-Poor Pri*k
Again I am off the track. Good luck and enjoy.
Max
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PAW have taken folk with lots of SE time (with CIR ex mil), but you pretty much need a bunch of twin time and instrument time to get in these days....
But send your resume in anyway
But send your resume in anyway
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The whisper is that the chief pilot is back next week, then the deputy CP position will be advertised in the 'Australian newspaper'. If the position is filled internally by a line pilot then they will advertise soon after for a line pilot.
Oh my contact says that morale is starting to fall with the coming of the CP!!!
Oh my contact says that morale is starting to fall with the coming of the CP!!!
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Greetings all.
Maybe they told you the sky was falling as well. Sounds like "they" need something constructive to do. Busy people rarely have time to bring morale down.
IMHO
DD
Maybe they told you the sky was falling as well. Sounds like "they" need something constructive to do. Busy people rarely have time to bring morale down.
IMHO
DD
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Yep anything is possible in this world....but in this case I would be very surprised, unbelievably surprised if Vic Pol Airwing ever moved from EN....they would have to shut the place down first.
Other news....aparently Vic Pol is advertising in this Friday's Australian Newspaper.... vacancies for a Chief Check & Training Pilot (Senior Pilot).
Other news....aparently Vic Pol is advertising in this Friday's Australian Newspaper.... vacancies for a Chief Check & Training Pilot (Senior Pilot).
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Vic Pol CP GONE!!!
Can anyone confirm?? Just heard that he was given a Don't Come Monday by the Chief Commissioner late yesterday.
Must have been a bit of a shock seeing as he hasn't been there the last few months...what happened??
Must have been a bit of a shock seeing as he hasn't been there the last few months...what happened??