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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 08:15
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rotorfossil is totally correct, also known as a 'lift-destroyer' !
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Old 2nd Nov 2016, 20:49
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You can detect its effect if you enter auto gently with a fixed cyclic position. Initially the nose drops as the tailplane is unstalled in the negative sense. Then the spoiler disrupts the airflow over the top of the tailplane and the nose rises again.
not totally convinced by that as generally all helicopters go nose-down when you lower the lever, just as they pitch nose up as you raise the lever. ISTR it's called instability with collective pitch or something similar.
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Old 3rd Nov 2016, 00:24
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Also the horizontal stabiliser presents a nice big flat surface to push on as the aircraft descends which adds to the nose forward attitude. Probably haven't made that comment as clear as I could have but hey ho.
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And I should be clearer in that it is the rotor that flaps forward or backward when you lower or raise the lever - how much the fuselage follows that is subject to other factors (control rigging/mixing for example).

Equally the resulting fuselage attitude in steady state descent/climb/auto is much more affected by other aerodynamic features such as the tail stab as Evil Twin points out.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 15:28
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Can someone tell me if the low RPM horn can be heard over the intercom ie. in your headset or just via the cockpit speaker?


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Old 23rd Jul 2017, 14:34
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I have flown a few dozen different ones and they were always a just a horn coming from a speaker.
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 22:49
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It is only through the speaker, the system is not wired through the audio system.
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Phil any idea what an L1 with a c28 will burn an hour
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 19:07
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Originally Posted by Omani trooper
Phil any idea what an L1 with a c28 will burn an hour
About 250 lbs/hr
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 19:15
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206b noise

Looking for some help from all you 206 experts out there....

I manage and fly a 'newer' 206B3 out of the local airport. It is always well maintained to 135 standards and has under 4000TT. If it matters, it has Van Horn T/R blades and a Lord Elastomeric bearing which are a few years old.

I've now had two airplane mechanics (mostly unfamiliar with rotorcraft workings) from different airports randomly walk up and tell me they've heard my helicopter come and go hundreds of times over the past few years, but recently there is a high pitched whine coming from back which they hadn't heard before. They both said you can't hear it until the helicopter has passed by them, so they are facing the back of the aircraft. Nothing has changed that I can think of which would account for the new noise. My first thought was possibly a hangar bearing going bad, but they were all checked out during my recent annual inspection. Any chance it's the T/R gearbox trying to warn me before it fails? The chip detector is clean....

I didn't pay much attention to the first guy, but now two?! I'm not overly concerned but am starting to get curious. Thank you in advance for your thoughts.
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Old 17th Mar 2020, 21:44
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If it’s high pitched I would be looking at engine, unlikely from thenTR, you would have vibrations.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 17:05
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The Bell 206B T/R gearbox is simple and very reliable. If the chip detector is clean and the oil is clear, nothing to worry about.

The Van Horn blades are known to be quieter than the Bell metal blades; could this be the difference they are noticing?

The LORD T/R trunnion STC is a great improvement but would have no effect on noise type/level.

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Old 18th Mar 2020, 19:12
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I'd concur with the two previous posts. If the T/R and/ or gearbox are not producing any "secondary" indications such as vibrations, metal or excessive heat, I'd look elsewhere, and as "formerlongbox" suggests, eyeball the engine. Another suggestion; years back I had an issue with an oil cooler blower or "squirrel cage". The impeller had somehow received a slight deformation to a couple of "vanes", which set up what was described as a shrill whistle at full RPM. Hard to pinpoint as it couldn't be heard from the front or on the ground close up as the engine and rotor noise masked it pretty well, but it could be heard from a distance aft and away from the helicopter. Good luck.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 19:51
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How about do a flyby once for someone to hear the sound then do another flyby engine off and if the sound has gone then it was coming from the engine...
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 20:24
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Smile Uusanl noise

Recently had noise coming from mechanical fuel pump on engine, I had heard nothing like it before.
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Old 18th Mar 2020, 23:40
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The fuel pump is a good call, I have also had this, easy to check, remove and turn the spline, if it’s tight that’s your boy. I also had a bad bearing in the accessory gearbox, sounded like turbine, sadly only way to eliminate is swap out.
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Old 19th Mar 2020, 08:35
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Originally Posted by chopjock
How about do a flyby once for someone to hear the sound then do another flyby engine off and if the sound has gone then it was coming from the engine...
Yeah, that'll work...…...Not. FFS!!!
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Old 19th Mar 2020, 15:59
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Originally Posted by DOASO
high pitched whine coming from back which they hadn't heard before. They both said you can't hear it until the helicopter has passed by them, so they are facing the back of the aircraft.
What phase of flight were you in: taking off, cruise, letdown, etc? Were you in the same flight phase both times? Was the noise steady, pulsing, or other? Have you physically changed anything, no matter how minor. on the aircraft since either mechanic has been near your aircraft?

Have chased many "unique" sounds over the years. FYI: Sometimes how a person hears the noise and how sound travels doesn't always indicate where on the aircraft it may come from.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:49
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Update on 206b noise

Update on the noise they were hearing....

#3 bearing in the gearbox was cracked and eventually started making quite a bit of metal. Engine is repaired and sounds normal again.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 13:12
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Update on the noise they were hearing....

#3 bearing in the gearbox was cracked and eventually started making quite a bit of metal. Engine is repaired and sounds normal again.
Thank you for taking the time to come back to us an tell us the source of the noise!

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