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i have 60 hrs now on my 600 i find it to be marvellous .i dont realy have a problem . All helicopters have something that bites if you dont watch it ,but on inital training you are taught to be able to recognize these and you make sure that you do not get into these areas
the ysas mods will lighten the in flight workload i flew the 600 in usa with the ysas it was spot on
the ysas mods will lighten the in flight workload i flew the 600 in usa with the ysas it was spot on
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Copter Cody,
I think you had better do an assignment, ask the FAA how many notars are registered, then ask how many helicopters are registered, then do some basic maths and work out how many helicopters have had accidents in your statistics, then work out the percentage of each, then weigh up the percentage of notar and conventional helicopters that are in your country, do it as an assignment, you might get someone from the faa to do it for you if you ask! In the meantime, you want to tell the people here at pprune that patience is a virtue, lets get some stuff out in the open, Im over 35, been flying helis since i was seventeen and have an ATPL and over 4000 hours in m/e helis, ems/sar, long line, etc..
OK Copter Cody, Ive bared all,
Tell us , what do you have....Im very patient
Lama Bear, thank you.
I think you had better do an assignment, ask the FAA how many notars are registered, then ask how many helicopters are registered, then do some basic maths and work out how many helicopters have had accidents in your statistics, then work out the percentage of each, then weigh up the percentage of notar and conventional helicopters that are in your country, do it as an assignment, you might get someone from the faa to do it for you if you ask! In the meantime, you want to tell the people here at pprune that patience is a virtue, lets get some stuff out in the open, Im over 35, been flying helis since i was seventeen and have an ATPL and over 4000 hours in m/e helis, ems/sar, long line, etc..
OK Copter Cody, Ive bared all,
Tell us , what do you have....Im very patient
Lama Bear, thank you.
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Copter Cody, just to give you a little taste of what people are talking about.
About a year ago, I did some accident figures for the place I work, as we were looking to replace our fleet.
The figures I have are not the most scientific, but pretty close. The figures were only based on the number of accidents and passengers on board. Of the accidents up to July of last year, 20% of the passengers injuries were fatal for the MD520N, the MD600N was 22%, and the MD500C/D/E was 14%. Total injuries (both fatal and non fatal) of those accidents were MD500 - 46%, MD520N - 67%, and MD600N - 56%. Remember, these aircrafts are generally not flown by new pilots either. Not really sure I like the 21% increase!
By the way, the A-Star's were 25%! Of course the A-Star carries more passengers per flight and these figures do not really show that.
Just do not look at a one month statistic. It really is unrealistic. And if you want to figure the statistics with the number of aircraft that are flying (how many thousands of 500's compared to what, less then 200 MD520's and MD600's).
About a year ago, I did some accident figures for the place I work, as we were looking to replace our fleet.
The figures I have are not the most scientific, but pretty close. The figures were only based on the number of accidents and passengers on board. Of the accidents up to July of last year, 20% of the passengers injuries were fatal for the MD520N, the MD600N was 22%, and the MD500C/D/E was 14%. Total injuries (both fatal and non fatal) of those accidents were MD500 - 46%, MD520N - 67%, and MD600N - 56%. Remember, these aircrafts are generally not flown by new pilots either. Not really sure I like the 21% increase!
By the way, the A-Star's were 25%! Of course the A-Star carries more passengers per flight and these figures do not really show that.
Just do not look at a one month statistic. It really is unrealistic. And if you want to figure the statistics with the number of aircraft that are flying (how many thousands of 500's compared to what, less then 200 MD520's and MD600's).
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Thanks for your input, i had know i idea that the people who Actually fly thought so much different. I guess that i need to rely on a better and more relyable site. Thanks
Cody
Thanks for your input, i had know i idea that the people who Actually fly thought so much different. I guess that i need to rely on a better and more relyable site. Thanks
Cody
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Sling load,
Here is my final plee. Go to this website and see for yourself. I am not trying to be offencesive or a "know it all," Just trying to find an opinion.
http://www.mdhelicopters.com/Roto rcraft/Presentations/MD_Explorer_files/frame.htm
Then go to NOTAR systems on the side, there you should find some MD Company statistics. You have heard of McDonnell Douglas haven't you? If you want further information just work your way along with the other facts
I hope this is what you wanted.
[ 23 July 2001: Message edited by: Copter Cody ]
Here is my final plee. Go to this website and see for yourself. I am not trying to be offencesive or a "know it all," Just trying to find an opinion.
http://www.mdhelicopters.com/Roto rcraft/Presentations/MD_Explorer_files/frame.htm
Then go to NOTAR systems on the side, there you should find some MD Company statistics. You have heard of McDonnell Douglas haven't you? If you want further information just work your way along with the other facts
I hope this is what you wanted.
[ 23 July 2001: Message edited by: Copter Cody ]
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Copter Cody,
You are saying the statistics you are quoting are from the MD website, and they claim an independent study btwn 1988 to 1994 of s/e turbines found that 21% of helicopter accidents are attributable to tail rotor accidents, they then claim that 70% of these accidents are avoidable by NOTAR (14.7%). Copter Cody, you are extremely gullable if you are relying on these "claims" to say they are statistics, these are "claims" made by the manufacturers, if you rely on every claim you are told, then you cannot say a sweeping statement that NOTARS are statistically safer!!
NOW COPTER CODY, IVE BEEN UP FRONT WITH YOU, TELL ME YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE! AND BY THE WAY, YOUR REMARK "YOU HAVE HEARD OF MCDONNEL DOUGLAS HAVNT YOU?" IS INSULTING TO ME AND OTHER PILOTS ON THIS SITE. i WAS FLYING HUGHES HELICOPTERS BEFORE THEY WERE BOUGHT OUT, MY GUESS IS BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN, NOW TELL ME YOUR LICENCE TYPE AND EXPERIENCE, I AM VERY PATIENT.........
WAITING.........
You are saying the statistics you are quoting are from the MD website, and they claim an independent study btwn 1988 to 1994 of s/e turbines found that 21% of helicopter accidents are attributable to tail rotor accidents, they then claim that 70% of these accidents are avoidable by NOTAR (14.7%). Copter Cody, you are extremely gullable if you are relying on these "claims" to say they are statistics, these are "claims" made by the manufacturers, if you rely on every claim you are told, then you cannot say a sweeping statement that NOTARS are statistically safer!!
NOW COPTER CODY, IVE BEEN UP FRONT WITH YOU, TELL ME YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE! AND BY THE WAY, YOUR REMARK "YOU HAVE HEARD OF MCDONNEL DOUGLAS HAVNT YOU?" IS INSULTING TO ME AND OTHER PILOTS ON THIS SITE. i WAS FLYING HUGHES HELICOPTERS BEFORE THEY WERE BOUGHT OUT, MY GUESS IS BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN, NOW TELL ME YOUR LICENCE TYPE AND EXPERIENCE, I AM VERY PATIENT.........
WAITING.........
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Sling Load,
I am not by any means trying to be insultive nor am i trying to knock on your experience. I'll bet you have more hours in a Helicopter than i have just looking at one. I did not mean to say MD, I meant to say the MD website. That was a typo. I am only working on ppl at the time, I've just started. I have under 10hrs. I just want it to been know that because i don't have as many hours or experience as you that doesn't mean i know nothing, nor do i know everything. why is it that whenever i post, it gets into i have more hours than you battle. I just wanted to know. And i did find out. Thank, Do you accept my appology?
Cody
I am not by any means trying to be insultive nor am i trying to knock on your experience. I'll bet you have more hours in a Helicopter than i have just looking at one. I did not mean to say MD, I meant to say the MD website. That was a typo. I am only working on ppl at the time, I've just started. I have under 10hrs. I just want it to been know that because i don't have as many hours or experience as you that doesn't mean i know nothing, nor do i know everything. why is it that whenever i post, it gets into i have more hours than you battle. I just wanted to know. And i did find out. Thank, Do you accept my appology?
Cody
Cody,
A spot of advice, mate. You've 2 eyes and 2 ears, but only one mouth. If you make a conscious effort to speak only half as much as you listen and half as much as you observe, you may be half way toward learning a useful lesson about life, the universe and everything. The answer's 42 by the way, but you'd probably have to ask someone from the UK what that means.
Meanwhile, take it from me that your recent posts have done little more than show you to have:
If you really have started flying lessons, and if they use radios where you're being taught, you may well soon learn about "think-pause-transmit". Please try and use the same lesson here on the BB.
Now, on the bright side and so as not to be totally negative, I'd just like to add that you obviously have considerable enthusiasm for what you do. If you can learn to channel that enthusiasm, harness it to work in your favour, then you may find that you can progress toward a thoroughly rewarding and enjoyable flying career.
Please don't feel you need to reply. In fact, a spot of silent observation and meditation from your corner of Oregon would be very welcome.
A spot of advice, mate. You've 2 eyes and 2 ears, but only one mouth. If you make a conscious effort to speak only half as much as you listen and half as much as you observe, you may be half way toward learning a useful lesson about life, the universe and everything. The answer's 42 by the way, but you'd probably have to ask someone from the UK what that means.
Meanwhile, take it from me that your recent posts have done little more than show you to have:
- A less-than-full command of English (presumably your 'first' language)
- Naievety of astonishing proportions
- An ability, conscious or otherwise, to wind-up professional-pilot readers and contributors to this forum
If you really have started flying lessons, and if they use radios where you're being taught, you may well soon learn about "think-pause-transmit". Please try and use the same lesson here on the BB.
Now, on the bright side and so as not to be totally negative, I'd just like to add that you obviously have considerable enthusiasm for what you do. If you can learn to channel that enthusiasm, harness it to work in your favour, then you may find that you can progress toward a thoroughly rewarding and enjoyable flying career.
Please don't feel you need to reply. In fact, a spot of silent observation and meditation from your corner of Oregon would be very welcome.
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Cody:
After quite possibly one of the best weekends I have ever had:
You say that you are not trying to be offensive etc, but then why did I have an email from you saying I am asshole?
Since we are now all be open and upfront, I only have 80 hours total time, but am still learning and, yes, one day I will have thousands of hours.
Take my advice: Stop being patronising. On the just helicopters website somebody asked for career advice. You replied with the great piece of advice: 'It depends what your personnal goals are. It is up to you mate'.
Nobody minds answering a question from somebody who is keen to learn. I consider myself very fortunate to be learning in an expert environment where the instructors have thousands of hours. These guys are professionals. They know what they are on about. I don't offer them advice. I keep quiet, listen, absorb and ask relevant questions when necessary. If you have a question then use the correct terminology (a helmet is a helmet, not a 'brain bucket')
Before anyone accuses me of being patronising, I have worked in different countries, doing many different jobs. You my friend are 17 and still living at home. Nothing wrong with that at all.
But please, don't call me an asshole, because I am not. And as I have said to you before the helicopter world is very small. Tread carefully.
After quite possibly one of the best weekends I have ever had:
You say that you are not trying to be offensive etc, but then why did I have an email from you saying I am asshole?
Since we are now all be open and upfront, I only have 80 hours total time, but am still learning and, yes, one day I will have thousands of hours.
Take my advice: Stop being patronising. On the just helicopters website somebody asked for career advice. You replied with the great piece of advice: 'It depends what your personnal goals are. It is up to you mate'.
Nobody minds answering a question from somebody who is keen to learn. I consider myself very fortunate to be learning in an expert environment where the instructors have thousands of hours. These guys are professionals. They know what they are on about. I don't offer them advice. I keep quiet, listen, absorb and ask relevant questions when necessary. If you have a question then use the correct terminology (a helmet is a helmet, not a 'brain bucket')
Before anyone accuses me of being patronising, I have worked in different countries, doing many different jobs. You my friend are 17 and still living at home. Nothing wrong with that at all.
But please, don't call me an asshole, because I am not. And as I have said to you before the helicopter world is very small. Tread carefully.
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To all,
I think that i am going to do us all a favor. It seems that i do not fit in here, so i have decided to stop posting. I am sorry if i have affended any or caused any incoveniences. I do hope that you all accept my applogy.
forever sorry
Cody
Cody
I think that i am going to do us all a favor. It seems that i do not fit in here, so i have decided to stop posting. I am sorry if i have affended any or caused any incoveniences. I do hope that you all accept my applogy.
forever sorry
Cody
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Copter Cody,
Apology accepted, and i am glad to hear you are taking flying training and wish you well, your enthusiasm for helicopters is obvious, good luck to you.
You just should think about what youre typing, then say it out aloud before posting it!
Enjoy your flying training
Apology accepted, and i am glad to hear you are taking flying training and wish you well, your enthusiasm for helicopters is obvious, good luck to you.
You just should think about what youre typing, then say it out aloud before posting it!
Enjoy your flying training
