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chcmanagement...cavertonmanagement...your inputs, please.
@ SASless: Why can't you for once be positive about the changes for the better being introduced by Bristows...at long last things are moving in the right directions.
@ SASless: Why can't you for once be positive about the changes for the better being introduced by Bristows...at long last things are moving in the right directions.
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We never talk about other company pay scales. Being a world leader in excellence all our salaries are individually tailored which is why we have Captains of industry from all over the world. Our S92 fleet salaries will exceed all industry norms when it replaces our famtastically successful shuttle operation in Lagos. Our pilots do not want 6/6 which is why we will never change from our industry-leading 3/1 and 4/1 schemes.
We will soon be gaining certificates in so many ISOs when daddy has filled the envelopes. Our safety management system and risk analysis systems are the envy of all in the industry and will doubtless lead on to many other good things.
This year we have had massive increases in allowances and our daily food allowance is now the envy of all these other poor, thin pilots in these other companies. Being a wholly Nigerian company we know the true price of food essentials such as eba, starch, semovita, bitter leaf and grasscutter. Our loss of licence insurance is a wonder to all as are our pension and personal accident schemes.
Daddy has also said that we will now be paying a quarterly allowance so that pilots can be stylishly equipped in the latest pointy shoes and cool fake-designer sunglasses.
Our new red helicopter almost has airconditioning with such state-of-the-art equipments such as slidding door and hook for our ever-growing skycrane operations.
So, forgot about these other operator with their petty competition and come and join daddy and I in the African giant, leading the way, showing the world.
We will soon be gaining certificates in so many ISOs when daddy has filled the envelopes. Our safety management system and risk analysis systems are the envy of all in the industry and will doubtless lead on to many other good things.
This year we have had massive increases in allowances and our daily food allowance is now the envy of all these other poor, thin pilots in these other companies. Being a wholly Nigerian company we know the true price of food essentials such as eba, starch, semovita, bitter leaf and grasscutter. Our loss of licence insurance is a wonder to all as are our pension and personal accident schemes.
Daddy has also said that we will now be paying a quarterly allowance so that pilots can be stylishly equipped in the latest pointy shoes and cool fake-designer sunglasses.
Our new red helicopter almost has airconditioning with such state-of-the-art equipments such as slidding door and hook for our ever-growing skycrane operations.
So, forgot about these other operator with their petty competition and come and join daddy and I in the African giant, leading the way, showing the world.
Archos,
6/6 is an improvement. A ten percent pay rise is an improvement.
I once asked a Regional Flying Superintendent who was a gentleman, when Bristow would go to 6/6 rosters as Schreiners had been doing forever.....his response was "When we can no longer man the operation on the 8/4 roster."
Explain to me why I said anything "bad" about Bristow in general? I made an analysis of the 8/4 pay scheme and pointed out what I saw as being wrong about it.
The comment about the 7/5 roster and the Mental Gymastics required to think that is a "good" roster from a management view needs explaining as well.
The down side of manning a roster on a 7/5 roster hits both the company and the crews. How does one arrange accomodation....you like hot bedding and not knowing which room you will get when you show up? Does the company have spare accomodation to facilitate each person having a private room that sets idle during you time out of country....if so that is an extra expense. A 7/5 must be nearly impossible to coordinate as compared to a 6/6or 8/4. The 6/6 requires two pilots per roster line, the 8/4 requires three pilots for each two roster lines. The 7/5 roster requires, errrr...ahhh....uhhhh...gee higher math but it is some fraction of between two and three people. Last time I checked humans do not come in halves.
The major reason given for the 8/4 roster used to be the Brits did not wish to go on holiday out of the country in order to meet the Inland Revenue requirement to stay out of the country to avoid tax. The 7/5 was a compromise and stop gap when they were having manning problems a while back.
There will be some more whinging by the Brits I bet if the roster changes to 6/6 if the tax issues remain the same.
Me personally...If I had to spend a month in Spain each year to avoid the tax and work 6/6 I would consider it a bonus and not a hardship. I would consider spending a part of my tax savings on a Sunshine Holiday to be well worth the cost.
Part of the problem helicopter companies have is understanding the "human" side of issues. Sometimes doing something nice and good for the staff pays off far more than it costs and thus is a bargain.
Last thing Archos, don't shoot the messenger....take issue with the statement and prove the error. Few have provided any counter argument about the things I suggest need improving but some have definitely felt offended and suggested I was off base without challenging the facts presented.
Do you care to challenge my analysis of the 8/4 roster and pay as I set forth?
6/6 is an improvement. A ten percent pay rise is an improvement.
I once asked a Regional Flying Superintendent who was a gentleman, when Bristow would go to 6/6 rosters as Schreiners had been doing forever.....his response was "When we can no longer man the operation on the 8/4 roster."
Explain to me why I said anything "bad" about Bristow in general? I made an analysis of the 8/4 pay scheme and pointed out what I saw as being wrong about it.
The comment about the 7/5 roster and the Mental Gymastics required to think that is a "good" roster from a management view needs explaining as well.
The down side of manning a roster on a 7/5 roster hits both the company and the crews. How does one arrange accomodation....you like hot bedding and not knowing which room you will get when you show up? Does the company have spare accomodation to facilitate each person having a private room that sets idle during you time out of country....if so that is an extra expense. A 7/5 must be nearly impossible to coordinate as compared to a 6/6or 8/4. The 6/6 requires two pilots per roster line, the 8/4 requires three pilots for each two roster lines. The 7/5 roster requires, errrr...ahhh....uhhhh...gee higher math but it is some fraction of between two and three people. Last time I checked humans do not come in halves.
The major reason given for the 8/4 roster used to be the Brits did not wish to go on holiday out of the country in order to meet the Inland Revenue requirement to stay out of the country to avoid tax. The 7/5 was a compromise and stop gap when they were having manning problems a while back.
There will be some more whinging by the Brits I bet if the roster changes to 6/6 if the tax issues remain the same.
Me personally...If I had to spend a month in Spain each year to avoid the tax and work 6/6 I would consider it a bonus and not a hardship. I would consider spending a part of my tax savings on a Sunshine Holiday to be well worth the cost.
Part of the problem helicopter companies have is understanding the "human" side of issues. Sometimes doing something nice and good for the staff pays off far more than it costs and thus is a bargain.
Last thing Archos, don't shoot the messenger....take issue with the statement and prove the error. Few have provided any counter argument about the things I suggest need improving but some have definitely felt offended and suggested I was off base without challenging the facts presented.
Do you care to challenge my analysis of the 8/4 roster and pay as I set forth?
Last edited by SASless; 5th Jul 2006 at 21:20.
"The major reason given for the 8/4 roster used to be the Brits did not wish to go on holiday out of the country in order to meet the Inland Revenue requirement to stay out of the country to avoid tax. The 7/5 was a compromise and stop gap when they were having manning problems a while back"
Yeah, strange that, seeing as BHL used to be a British company an'all!
"Hey Honey I'm home, hey why can't you take the kids outta school for 4 weeks, so we can go on vaycayshun (for the third time this year)? Whadya mean it's illegal?"
"Hey Honey I'm home, Gee, gotta scoot off to Teneriffe for 4 weeks on a cheap lastminute.com deal this leave so as to stay legal with the IR: I hate it but them's the rules!"
SASless, 6 and 6, or 7 and 5 do not suit everyone, and don't give me that "holiday in Spain" cra*p! Not every BH(N)L pilot is a 60 year old American Batchelor (or 35 year old Peruvian/Malaysian/Belgium/German/Australian/Canadian/Indonesian/South African/Indian/Jamaican/Did ah miss one????)
Hey, you may not have worried about Mr Taxman breathing down your neck, but plenty of us have!
It's not a request for sympathy; it's a straight fact of life!!!
(Apologies for c**p accent!)
PS. Cavertonmanagement: I still don't have pointy shoes (can't beat worn desert boots) , but now have an S-92 rating; does that compensate?
Yeah, strange that, seeing as BHL used to be a British company an'all!
"Hey Honey I'm home, hey why can't you take the kids outta school for 4 weeks, so we can go on vaycayshun (for the third time this year)? Whadya mean it's illegal?"
"Hey Honey I'm home, Gee, gotta scoot off to Teneriffe for 4 weeks on a cheap lastminute.com deal this leave so as to stay legal with the IR: I hate it but them's the rules!"
SASless, 6 and 6, or 7 and 5 do not suit everyone, and don't give me that "holiday in Spain" cra*p! Not every BH(N)L pilot is a 60 year old American Batchelor (or 35 year old Peruvian/Malaysian/Belgium/German/Australian/Canadian/Indonesian/South African/Indian/Jamaican/Did ah miss one????)
Hey, you may not have worried about Mr Taxman breathing down your neck, but plenty of us have!
It's not a request for sympathy; it's a straight fact of life!!!
(Apologies for c**p accent!)
PS. Cavertonmanagement: I still don't have pointy shoes (can't beat worn desert boots) , but now have an S-92 rating; does that compensate?
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Naturally our pay rise will be huge, but we're presently restructuring. All those pilots now applying to Bristow will re-apply when they get details of our offer. Naturally, as Canadians we're a bit slow compared with those fancy Americans, but we have no requirements for pointy shoes, so if that's you're only consideration don't apply. Remember, we transport those who keep the industry going. Expect to see people posting about our great new pay scheme before the end of the year 
Yes dear boy but as we said back then even....take the family over for long weekends or week long holidays. All it takes is a bit of planning. Oil company workers and the ACN guys seemed to have figured it out over the years.
I still want to hear an explanation about how the pay for the extra 61 days is worth the money offered?
I still want to hear an explanation about how the pay for the extra 61 days is worth the money offered?
Last edited by SASless; 6th Jul 2006 at 14:46.
Some of the oil workers (on equal time that is) have their tax paid or are paid an additional sum equal to their tax burden to equate it to tax free. Others are not trying to be tax free; they just get paid a lot more than elsewhere which makes it worth it.
The ACN Brits are probably mostly illegal but taking the chance they won't be caught by the system (as indeed are many of the BHNL Brits!)
Can't argue with your sums though!
The ACN Brits are probably mostly illegal but taking the chance they won't be caught by the system (as indeed are many of the BHNL Brits!)
Can't argue with your sums though!
Got an email from a friend with Bristow Nigeria and it seems all your numbers were widely off the mark.
They have been offered 4% increase on their basic, a small increase of their country allowance and no word of a 6-6 roster.
So better go and queue up early at the Bristow Group HR department to get one of the last slots going, word has that loads of CHC guys have jumped ship to go and work longer for lower pay.
Would Bristow management care to comment and also the views of CHC and Calverton management are always welcome (no pointy shoes deals allowed!)
They have been offered 4% increase on their basic, a small increase of their country allowance and no word of a 6-6 roster.
So better go and queue up early at the Bristow Group HR department to get one of the last slots going, word has that loads of CHC guys have jumped ship to go and work longer for lower pay.
Would Bristow management care to comment and also the views of CHC and Calverton management are always welcome (no pointy shoes deals allowed!)
More good news!
In Nigeria, armed men kidnapped a Dutch oil worker, the second hostage taking in less than 24 hours in a region where regular raids continue to destabilize oil production. Attacks on oil pipelines and kidnappings have cut Nigerian oil production by more than 500,000 barrels a day, or 20 percent, this year.
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The 7/5 roster
I'd say you need 5 rooms if you have 7 people going on a 7/5 roster,
but if you have four rooms you only have to accomodate 5 people at the same time once every 12 days.
Sorry, can't help myself - like maths...
but if you have four rooms you only have to accomodate 5 people at the same time once every 12 days.
Sorry, can't help myself - like maths...
....or put one on the night standby at Escravos as "The Queen's Husband" used to try to do. It always helped to have a Married Accompanied chum who would put you up too. Oscar the Cookie Monster used to do that for us.
No clue who Oscar would be, but I'd hazard a guess the other chap would be MB.
Escravos was great; free half board, satellite TV and a luxury room that would put Hilton and Sheraton to shame, coupled with a routine that took all the best elements of an FTL and imposed much tighter controls (especially for the co-pilots, who had the unheard of luxury of a 168 hour FDP!)
Escravos was great; free half board, satellite TV and a luxury room that would put Hilton and Sheraton to shame, coupled with a routine that took all the best elements of an FTL and imposed much tighter controls (especially for the co-pilots, who had the unheard of luxury of a 168 hour FDP!)
212man,
You plainly have endured the "Queen".
If you think of ol' "Oscar the Cookie Monster" peeking up at you out of the garbage can with that full beard then it will come to you....lord knows you have shared a few frosty Gulder's with him.
You plainly have endured the "Queen".
If you think of ol' "Oscar the Cookie Monster" peeking up at you out of the garbage can with that full beard then it will come to you....lord knows you have shared a few frosty Gulder's with him.
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If that number of 84,500 Canadian is correct, how do they get people to work for them? That equates to roughly 76K US. And you say it "tops out" at 76K? Must be a whole lot of desperate pilots out there to work in that location for that wage. I have been considering coming to Bristow Nigeria , but wont budge for anything less then 90K US and a 6/6. Guess I am not going to work in Nigeria once again.
It is true, not matter how bad the conditions or how low the wage, someone will take the job.
It is true, not matter how bad the conditions or how low the wage, someone will take the job.
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the whole story
Don't forget to account for the health care package that includes dental..and this is family coverage. Also the company contribution to the pension plan (4%)
Add to this the Per Diem (arguably not a valid factor) and also the Incentive Pay which usually runs 75 - 125/day.
Most CHC guys in Nigeria would be clearing in excess of 100,000 CDN and this 80% tax free (for OETC eligible Canadians)
It's still not what the job deserves..but more competitive than first appears.
Add to this the Per Diem (arguably not a valid factor) and also the Incentive Pay which usually runs 75 - 125/day.
Most CHC guys in Nigeria would be clearing in excess of 100,000 CDN and this 80% tax free (for OETC eligible Canadians)
It's still not what the job deserves..but more competitive than first appears.
SASless, I guess DB?
