Aerobatics in a 407 (Incl. video)
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I had "hours" of preparation to go and attemt a loop in a mini 500, but it would not get off the ground with my weight
Dam, and I was so looking forward to it
Dam, and I was so looking forward to it
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I understand that Chief Pilot and safety Officer for Torchlight Flashlight Broken light or what ever they are called, saw the validation on Friday. Why did he not stop the show taking place on Saturday in front of tv cameras, and 15,000 + people.
He obviously either has no backbone or no power!
After all that, it looked very good!
I hope CE was thanked by the management for putting his career at stake!
For those who wish to know the helicopter was ZS-RIB
dont see why its such a secret.
He obviously either has no backbone or no power!
After all that, it looked very good!
I hope CE was thanked by the management for putting his career at stake!
For those who wish to know the helicopter was ZS-RIB
dont see why its such a secret.
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On SABC2 this morning as part of GMSA they had fantastic foorage of the Virginia Airshow and it included both the roll and the loop. On seeing them again, they were very well done!
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On SABC2 this morning as part of GMSA they had fantastic foorage of the Virginia Airshow and it included both the roll and the loop. On seeing them again, they were very well done!
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nzl75 Have you seen the Dennis Kenyon video when aerobatts 300c??? I just looked at it and I can’t see him roll it.... probably for a good reason..... But please let us know how it goes 
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Yes, quite a bit of great footage of the show and I must admit that I held my breadth for that loop and roll, even though I knew of the safe outcome 
They even mentioned the pilot by name and that it was the first time the loop and roll was performed at an airshow.
They even mentioned the pilot by name and that it was the first time the loop and roll was performed at an airshow.
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Goodday all....
15000 people saw the loop and roll at the airshow, another 15000 might have seeing it this morning on SABC2 but what about the other 50000 + that have not seeing it???
Does anyone know if there is a posting on the net or if/when they might show it on tv again?
Really would not like to miss out on it!
15000 people saw the loop and roll at the airshow, another 15000 might have seeing it this morning on SABC2 but what about the other 50000 + that have not seeing it???
Does anyone know if there is a posting on the net or if/when they might show it on tv again?
Really would not like to miss out on it!
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I have been following this thread closely and cannot help but notice the subtle change in attitude from those individuals posting who seem to know a lot more insider info regarding this incident than others – where are you getting all your info from?.
What started out as a request for more details from an interested PPruner, has now turned into a platform to discredit the pilot, his colleges and the company they represent – STARLITE AVIATION (spelt out for those individuals who have a problem remembering the name).
In my opinion, the real issues regarding this incident is slowly being overshadowed by those individuals who’s apparent interest is to discredit their opposition – a pretty cheap way of indirectly marketing oneself if this is the case.
This is what I believe to be the real issue here and not the fact that an extremely talented pilot looped and barrel rolled a very capable helicopter with prior CAA approval, albeit with only 1 of the 2 owners permission, and stole the show.
Let us not allow this incident to deteriote into yet another one of those infamous aviation political bun fights that always ends up running out of momentum and yet leave a trail of bad relationships amongst fellow aviators and forces authorities like CAA into positions where they are obliged to enforce even stricter laws and procedures.
And lets face it airshows are places where we got to witness extra extrodinary aviation manoeuvres calculated and performed by extra ordinary pilots. I bet that if we had to analyse most of the high profile displays performed at airshows today against the operational limitations of the aircraft used in these displays, we would find that most of the aircraft used would have exceeded there limitations somewhere during thier sorties.
What started out as a request for more details from an interested PPruner, has now turned into a platform to discredit the pilot, his colleges and the company they represent – STARLITE AVIATION (spelt out for those individuals who have a problem remembering the name).
In my opinion, the real issues regarding this incident is slowly being overshadowed by those individuals who’s apparent interest is to discredit their opposition – a pretty cheap way of indirectly marketing oneself if this is the case.
This is what I believe to be the real issue here and not the fact that an extremely talented pilot looped and barrel rolled a very capable helicopter with prior CAA approval, albeit with only 1 of the 2 owners permission, and stole the show.
Let us not allow this incident to deteriote into yet another one of those infamous aviation political bun fights that always ends up running out of momentum and yet leave a trail of bad relationships amongst fellow aviators and forces authorities like CAA into positions where they are obliged to enforce even stricter laws and procedures.
And lets face it airshows are places where we got to witness extra extrodinary aviation manoeuvres calculated and performed by extra ordinary pilots. I bet that if we had to analyse most of the high profile displays performed at airshows today against the operational limitations of the aircraft used in these displays, we would find that most of the aircraft used would have exceeded there limitations somewhere during thier sorties.
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I 100% agree with you about the talents of that pilot. I have known him for about 4 years now, and not only is he a GREAT pilot, but he is also a GREAT guy.
I just have one question, when did anyone "indirectly market" themselves. I can't see any.
As for the permission, I (and many others) have it on good authority that permission was NOT granted.
I 100% agree with you about the talents of that pilot. I have known him for about 4 years now, and not only is he a GREAT pilot, but he is also a GREAT guy.
I just have one question, when did anyone "indirectly market" themselves. I can't see any.
As for the permission, I (and many others) have it on good authority that permission was NOT granted.
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Whatever the preamble was guys, the bottom line is that this a/c is now grounded by the SACAA and Bell has advised that it would probably require the full drive train and possibly some airframe parts to be replaced, before considering it airworthy again. Weigh this up against all the niceties. No contest in my book - it should not have been done.
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Whatever the preamble was guys, the bottom line is that this a/c is now grounded by the SACAA and Bell has advised that it would probably require the full drive train and possibly some airframe parts to be replaced, before considering it airworthy again. Weigh this up against all the niceties. No contest in my book - it should not have been done.
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Geesh, I go up to Mozambique for a week and come back to all these neat threads....
Looped a 407, must be a great show, bet there will be big over that.
I want to see something in writing that Bell buys off on it, I cant believe you will see it in a million years. In which case the owners of said machine will no doubt own a pretty piece of aluminum that can probably be transported to the nearest school for a playground oddity. At least all the serialized components.
You South Africans must have lot of money, thats an expensive way to get an aircraft scrapped.
Rumor has it that the Pilot is a Super guy and great Pilot. He had to know that there would be big over this one. One Hundred times more than a whole fleet of Hueys in the Cape..
Had a friend looped a Cobra in Vietnam, in the middle of a shoot out. The Transmission Bolts streched over half an inch. Tailboom and airframe was so wrinkled, the Maintenance Officer had the whole thing crushed as combat loss. Older Bells didnt like loops..
Guess these new ones are much newer technology, only have a few hours in the 407 but I think the book says not to do that stuff, so am seriously waiting to see Bells response .....
Im sure other 407 owners are lining up to let this guy fly their aircraft.......worldwide coverage..
Looped a 407, must be a great show, bet there will be big
over that.I want to see something in writing that Bell buys off on it, I cant believe you will see it in a million years. In which case the owners of said machine will no doubt own a pretty piece of aluminum that can probably be transported to the nearest school for a playground oddity. At least all the serialized components.
You South Africans must have lot of money, thats an expensive way to get an aircraft scrapped.
Rumor has it that the Pilot is a Super guy and great Pilot. He had to know that there would be big
over this one. One Hundred times more than a whole fleet of Hueys in the Cape..Had a friend looped a Cobra in Vietnam, in the middle of a shoot out. The Transmission Bolts streched over half an inch. Tailboom and airframe was so wrinkled, the Maintenance Officer had the whole thing crushed as combat loss. Older Bells didnt like loops..
Guess these new ones are much newer technology, only have a few hours in the 407 but I think the book says not to do that stuff, so am seriously waiting to see Bells response .....
Im sure other 407 owners are lining up to let this guy fly their aircraft.......worldwide coverage..
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Wassup with some of you guys?
Give the guy some credit for his handling skills even if you don't go with his decision to do it.
How many of you guys calling for his blood reckon you have the skill to do those maneuvers even if you had all the clearances?
Has anyone got a video? Was it broadcast as a news item or in a program about the air show? The grandmas can tut tut over their root beer and the rest of us can enjoy seeing this awesome feat and secretly take our hats off to his skill.
Give the guy some credit for his handling skills even if you don't go with his decision to do it.
How many of you guys calling for his blood reckon you have the skill to do those maneuvers even if you had all the clearances?
Has anyone got a video? Was it broadcast as a news item or in a program about the air show? The grandmas can tut tut over their root beer and the rest of us can enjoy seeing this awesome feat and secretly take our hats off to his skill.
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Most of us here have the ABILITY to do such a feat, most of us here also have the COMMON SENSE and REASON why it shouldn't be done, especially in front of 15,000 spectators with cameras.
What he did was to cause (possibly) $300,000 USD or more worth of component replacements and Inspections...and to have lost his licence for a while if not forever.
You call that talent, and we should be in Awe? .....
I call him a F%^$$ Arse !
In our company, he'd already have been FIRED !
What he did was to cause (possibly) $300,000 USD or more worth of component replacements and Inspections...and to have lost his licence for a while if not forever.
You call that talent, and we should be in Awe? .....
I call him a F%^$$ Arse !
In our company, he'd already have been FIRED !
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Helifan, we all know who STARLIGHT is, who its owned by, who runs it etc. It looks like you're trying to do a bit of marketing here, and in the process you're trying to slate the others. Bad move!
The aviation industry in this country is very small, and an act such as looping and rolling a civilian helicopter, not certified to perform these manouvers, will of course, attract huge interest. Irrespective of what a great guy or how good the pilot is. The handbook says NO, the manufacturers says NO, so which part don't you understand?
Everyone in this business have been talking about these manouvers, and I can assure you the CAA has been inundated with calls from whoever has an interest. So the news are broadcasted by those in the know, and what remains a fact, is that the pilot had NO authority from the CAA to perform these manouvers.
Now whether he is a great pilot and great guy, which I'm sure he is, he screwed up, and this is what this criticism is all about. Think about it carefully! If it was your machine, would you have condoned the manouvers? Somehow I don't think so....
The aviation industry in this country is very small, and an act such as looping and rolling a civilian helicopter, not certified to perform these manouvers, will of course, attract huge interest. Irrespective of what a great guy or how good the pilot is. The handbook says NO, the manufacturers says NO, so which part don't you understand?
Everyone in this business have been talking about these manouvers, and I can assure you the CAA has been inundated with calls from whoever has an interest. So the news are broadcasted by those in the know, and what remains a fact, is that the pilot had NO authority from the CAA to perform these manouvers.
Now whether he is a great pilot and great guy, which I'm sure he is, he screwed up, and this is what this criticism is all about. Think about it carefully! If it was your machine, would you have condoned the manouvers? Somehow I don't think so....