Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
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neat12:
The Helicopter Pilots award is only a Guide to most of us unfortnately, The award as is stands today, only applies to those companies that were involved in the ratification of that award.
Try phoning industrial relations! they will tell you the same thing! It really gets down to what your employer thinks your worth and what your prepared to do for the money or conditions on offer!
The Helicopter Pilots award is only a Guide to most of us unfortnately, The award as is stands today, only applies to those companies that were involved in the ratification of that award.
Try phoning industrial relations! they will tell you the same thing! It really gets down to what your employer thinks your worth and what your prepared to do for the money or conditions on offer!
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Even the companies respondant to the award don't necessarily pay it from my experience. I don't know your level of experience but be careful how much boat rocking you do early in your career. It is a small industry in AUS and most low time pilots would rather take your job than back you in any confrontation with management.
My advice would be to get your hours enjoy the flying and move on. There aren't too many rungs between the bottom and top of the career ladder in this country. In a couple of years it will all be a happy memory !!
Even the companies respondant to the award don't necessarily pay it from my experience. I don't know your level of experience but be careful how much boat rocking you do early in your career. It is a small industry in AUS and most low time pilots would rather take your job than back you in any confrontation with management.
My advice would be to get your hours enjoy the flying and move on. There aren't too many rungs between the bottom and top of the career ladder in this country. In a couple of years it will all be a happy memory !!
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Good words of advice overpitched..
I have no intention of rocking any boat, rather just wanted to know where we stand and what standard conditions are.
I love flying more than money! And consider myself lucky to have a job.
I now have a pretty good understanding...
I have no intention of rocking any boat, rather just wanted to know where we stand and what standard conditions are.
I love flying more than money! And consider myself lucky to have a job.
I now have a pretty good understanding...
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Well said Gymble, as long as there are enough rent boys like this in the industry it should be good pickings for those running a business.
See if his opinion changes in a few years.
See if his opinion changes in a few years.
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Ah Gymble. Back looking to stir the pot again I see, hoping to initiate the usual acrimonious exchange and then sitting back and watching it run. Does it give you that much enjoyment? Unfortunately it has become the reason so many have abandoned this forum.
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Gymble
What was I thinking... Of course you are right once again. I can think of countless LOW hour pilots around the world whose demands for more money and better conditions have given their careers a real boost.
Are we getting close to the real Gymble story here ???
What was I thinking... Of course you are right once again. I can think of countless LOW hour pilots around the world whose demands for more money and better conditions have given their careers a real boost.
Are we getting close to the real Gymble story here ???
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Gymble
What would you have me do? Kill my career and make a martyr out of myself. I know damn well that there are 100's of pilots that would take my position in a heart beat.
Then what happens to me? Go and dig holes?
I don't like it either, but at least I have some sort of grounding in reality...
What would you have me do? Kill my career and make a martyr out of myself. I know damn well that there are 100's of pilots that would take my position in a heart beat.
Then what happens to me? Go and dig holes?
I don't like it either, but at least I have some sort of grounding in reality...
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Just for future reference, the award as of March 2004 applies to all companies. It is not selective anymore. If you feel your getting shafted than do something about it. Theres too many whingers and not enough people trying to help the situation.
Sad state of affairs when a 16 year old at macca's gets paid more than you do.............
Sad state of affairs when a 16 year old at macca's gets paid more than you do.............
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I just talked to someone at Wageline (the government)
The helicopter award became common law in March of this year.
It therefore applies to every working pilot in Australia...
Common law, just not common knowledge?
The helicopter award became common law in March of this year.
It therefore applies to every working pilot in Australia...
Common law, just not common knowledge?
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Why In2wind??? Does the truth hurt sometimes does it??
Anyhow... how do you really know where I work anyway??? But it's nice to know that you say that the CHC and Bristow boys have it all worked out in one statement and then slag off those who work in Africa in another. Don't you know that there are a lot of pilots and engineers working for those two companies (Australians included) working in Africa as well?
Anyway thanks for the stupid bait setting reply... I would have thought all this time you did have to reply with some wit you could have done much better. I guess that's why you need to ask others about how much you are worth as obviously you are too stupid to work it out yourself.
Anyhow... how do you really know where I work anyway??? But it's nice to know that you say that the CHC and Bristow boys have it all worked out in one statement and then slag off those who work in Africa in another. Don't you know that there are a lot of pilots and engineers working for those two companies (Australians included) working in Africa as well?Anyway thanks for the stupid bait setting reply... I would have thought all this time you did have to reply with some wit you could have done much better. I guess that's why you need to ask others about how much you are worth as obviously you are too stupid to work it out yourself.
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Gymble,
I am not ex military. I started where Neat12 is now in Aus GA. I stuck with it and believed in myself. I have worked for three companies in my carreer and never been out of a job. Each time somebody approached me to work for them. Each job was an improvement in pay and conditions. I did it with a young family. I have flown all over Australia and many places overseas. I am now a 10,000 hour heli pilot working overseas as twin engine, command instrument rated captain earning about Aus$130,000 tax free per year. Don't tell Neat12 it's not possible. I'm living proof you don't have to be ex-military to succeed, you just have to have the desire to follow your ambitions. It's tough at the beginning but sell yourself. It's who you know not always what you know.
Neat12
Stick with it. You will get out it what you are prepared to put in.
Good luck
I am not ex military. I started where Neat12 is now in Aus GA. I stuck with it and believed in myself. I have worked for three companies in my carreer and never been out of a job. Each time somebody approached me to work for them. Each job was an improvement in pay and conditions. I did it with a young family. I have flown all over Australia and many places overseas. I am now a 10,000 hour heli pilot working overseas as twin engine, command instrument rated captain earning about Aus$130,000 tax free per year. Don't tell Neat12 it's not possible. I'm living proof you don't have to be ex-military to succeed, you just have to have the desire to follow your ambitions. It's tough at the beginning but sell yourself. It's who you know not always what you know.
Neat12
Stick with it. You will get out it what you are prepared to put in.
Good luck
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neat12,
Try not to pay attention to people like gymble, sounds like he is one who has done it tough and not been good enough to make anything of himself in the helicopter industry. I have seen a few of that type.
If you have to work for low wages to start, at least you are getting paid (don't work for nothing). As soon as you stop gaining from your employer, move on, but don't go until you have another job to go to.
Stick with it, it is worth it in the long run. You can't expect to be on $100,000+ a year the day you get your licence.
(Took me years, but I'm there in a single, with no twin, IFR or military experience other than 6 years as a stoker with RAN, at a time when the lowest form of human life was a "birdie")
In any profession you serve some kind of apprenticeship. It is worth it in the end. The helicopter industry is full of good people, good jobs and the machinery is getting better all the time, you just have to filter out the idiots, and they tend to stand out as you may have guessed.
Try not to pay attention to people like gymble, sounds like he is one who has done it tough and not been good enough to make anything of himself in the helicopter industry. I have seen a few of that type.
If you have to work for low wages to start, at least you are getting paid (don't work for nothing). As soon as you stop gaining from your employer, move on, but don't go until you have another job to go to.
Stick with it, it is worth it in the long run. You can't expect to be on $100,000+ a year the day you get your licence.
(Took me years, but I'm there in a single, with no twin, IFR or military experience other than 6 years as a stoker with RAN, at a time when the lowest form of human life was a "birdie")
In any profession you serve some kind of apprenticeship. It is worth it in the end. The helicopter industry is full of good people, good jobs and the machinery is getting better all the time, you just have to filter out the idiots, and they tend to stand out as you may have guessed.
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Now is your time
To neat12 and others like you, there has been no better time in my memory of my 30+ years of flying, to consider becoming a helicopter pilot. The company I work for overseas on a 6/6 week touring position from Oz, pays me very well, effectively double what I could earn in Oz, and are at this very moment in need of an additional 40 pilots to meet their projected needs. And guess what......the pilots are not there because the industry world wide did not plan for this very predictable short fall.
A word of advice, pick the area of the industry that you feel you might like to make your career. I'm in off-shore so if that's your bent, do your ATPL and IREX immediately, then seek a position as a CP or in marine pilot transfer as soon as you can. Places like Esso and Bristows are excellent places to enable you to achieve your aims.
This time is yours, I wish it was like this when I started and I would be retiring a very rich man.
You’ll find plenty of knockers but what ever you do, don’t loose the dream.
Best of luck
Geoff
A word of advice, pick the area of the industry that you feel you might like to make your career. I'm in off-shore so if that's your bent, do your ATPL and IREX immediately, then seek a position as a CP or in marine pilot transfer as soon as you can. Places like Esso and Bristows are excellent places to enable you to achieve your aims.
This time is yours, I wish it was like this when I started and I would be retiring a very rich man.
You’ll find plenty of knockers but what ever you do, don’t loose the dream.
Best of luck
Geoff
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Flying School in Australia
Hello,
Having done some time in HM forces, I'm now looking into flight schools in Australia.
I've done loads and loads of research, and e-mailed ex students and everything and would just like to see if anyone has a second opinion on PHS Helicopters in Australia.
I know this may be an age old question bt any help would be much appreciated.
Jordan
Having done some time in HM forces, I'm now looking into flight schools in Australia.
I've done loads and loads of research, and e-mailed ex students and everything and would just like to see if anyone has a second opinion on PHS Helicopters in Australia.
I know this may be an age old question bt any help would be much appreciated.
Jordan