Australia: Training, Licence Conversion, Job Prospects
DFJ Try Alice Springs helicopters, they still use B47's and had an advert in the Australian not too long ago. Worth giving them a ring and it's only just up the road from Adelaide.
Good Luck
Good Luck
I seen an add at the top of the website lastnight about it, the site doesn't seem to mention anything about the JAA Approval..
Heres the add.. Keep refreshing the page until it shows at the top..
Heres the add.. Keep refreshing the page until it shows at the top..
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PPL in South Africa, CPL in Oz?
Hi all,
Been spending quite a bit of time on the forum and have got to say how awesome it is of a lot of the experienced guys to continually share their knowledge. With that in mind, I'm looking for a general opinion on my upcoming plans to nab my CPL.
I'm an Aussie currently in Europe where plans have been changing frequently but at this point I'm going to head to South Africa (Durban- NAC, JNC or Starlite) to get my PPL, maybe do another 20-30 hours on top (incl. R44conv) where the hourly rate is favourable before heading back to Queensland (Bluetongue or Chopperline) to sit CPL exams and complete my hours/chosen conversions/ratings etc. I miss Australia loads and definitely want to work there in the long run but don't want to rule out the prospect of international work in the future also (Need for FAA or JAA for said work?).
-Is flying a large proportion of my early hours in South Africa going to harm my immediate Aussie job prospects?
-I'm relatively commitment free so what of the option to complete FAA or JAA exams and flight test in the States or UK and then simply converting the licence to Ozzy standard by sitting the Air-Law exam and flight test? Surely that way I'll have the option to work all over the world down the track? But I'm guessing that would damage my immediate Aussie job prospects?
Any which way am prepared for a hard slog. Feedback appreciated
Been spending quite a bit of time on the forum and have got to say how awesome it is of a lot of the experienced guys to continually share their knowledge. With that in mind, I'm looking for a general opinion on my upcoming plans to nab my CPL.
I'm an Aussie currently in Europe where plans have been changing frequently but at this point I'm going to head to South Africa (Durban- NAC, JNC or Starlite) to get my PPL, maybe do another 20-30 hours on top (incl. R44conv) where the hourly rate is favourable before heading back to Queensland (Bluetongue or Chopperline) to sit CPL exams and complete my hours/chosen conversions/ratings etc. I miss Australia loads and definitely want to work there in the long run but don't want to rule out the prospect of international work in the future also (Need for FAA or JAA for said work?).
-Is flying a large proportion of my early hours in South Africa going to harm my immediate Aussie job prospects?
-I'm relatively commitment free so what of the option to complete FAA or JAA exams and flight test in the States or UK and then simply converting the licence to Ozzy standard by sitting the Air-Law exam and flight test? Surely that way I'll have the option to work all over the world down the track? But I'm guessing that would damage my immediate Aussie job prospects?
Any which way am prepared for a hard slog. Feedback appreciated
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Guys
Just so you know, if you have an ICAO licence, the UK/European authorities (JAA) DO NOT recognise your theory credits. There is an obvious reduction in flying requirements but this has to be sorted out with a TRTO (flying school).
So, to get a JAA CPL(H) if you hold an ICAO licence (Aus, FAA, Sth African, Canadian, etc), you must pass 9 theory exams and some flying training and a flight test.
A very antiquated system.
Just so you know, if you have an ICAO licence, the UK/European authorities (JAA) DO NOT recognise your theory credits. There is an obvious reduction in flying requirements but this has to be sorted out with a TRTO (flying school).
So, to get a JAA CPL(H) if you hold an ICAO licence (Aus, FAA, Sth African, Canadian, etc), you must pass 9 theory exams and some flying training and a flight test.
A very antiquated system.
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Mmmmm ....
The UK system may be antiquated but the results are still to a very high standard !
The knowledge required to get through is substantial and once done very satisfying.
Dealing with Flight Crew Licencing Section of the CAA of course is quite another matter!!!!
The UK system may be antiquated but the results are still to a very high standard !
The knowledge required to get through is substantial and once done very satisfying.
Dealing with Flight Crew Licencing Section of the CAA of course is quite another matter!!!!
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Aust' ATPL(H) to JAA Theory Providors in Aust'??
Anyone know of another decent JAA rotary theory provider in Australia apart from the West Australian aero mob in Perth? Any leads would be appreciated.
Cheers Floats.
Cheers Floats.
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If it is books on the theory of relativity, unable to assist.
Anything to do with Aus ATPL & CPL theory(A and H), try following website.
Advanced Flight Theory Loading Page
Anything to do with Aus ATPL & CPL theory(A and H), try following website.
Advanced Flight Theory Loading Page
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Advice for Aus.
With only a couple hours trial flight behind me I want to commence training to become a pilot as soon as I arrive in Australia in January 2010.
I am looking for as much help as possible please with genuine ‘all in’ training costs from zero to CPL and realistic timescales to completion for full time training.
Luckily I won’t have the need for a loan so would be keen to get stuck in as soon as I arrive. Would it be beneficial to get started on my PPL in the UK during 2009 or wait and do the lot in Aus?
Assuming I would need further licences to work in either the instructing or offshore arenas what would be the total cost and timeframes to gain these additional papers?
Finally what are job prospects like in general at the moment? I read that it’s a very competitive market across the board from low hour pilots to more experienced but I love a challenge and I am happy to enter the competition!
Any help mucho appreciated - thanks.
I am looking for as much help as possible please with genuine ‘all in’ training costs from zero to CPL and realistic timescales to completion for full time training.
Luckily I won’t have the need for a loan so would be keen to get stuck in as soon as I arrive. Would it be beneficial to get started on my PPL in the UK during 2009 or wait and do the lot in Aus?
Assuming I would need further licences to work in either the instructing or offshore arenas what would be the total cost and timeframes to gain these additional papers?
Finally what are job prospects like in general at the moment? I read that it’s a very competitive market across the board from low hour pilots to more experienced but I love a challenge and I am happy to enter the competition!
Any help mucho appreciated - thanks.
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Fee Help
G'day Guys
Anyone know if there are any integrated CPL H courses which qualify for fee help? or maybe any on the horizon?
not a lot of info about at the moment being a fairly recent scheme, hoping someone in the industry might be able to give a heads up
Cheers
DJ
Anyone know if there are any integrated CPL H courses which qualify for fee help? or maybe any on the horizon?
not a lot of info about at the moment being a fairly recent scheme, hoping someone in the industry might be able to give a heads up
Cheers
DJ
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Job opportunities for foreing pilots
I'm an helicopter Pilot with jaa licenses, and I would like to know if there is a real possibility to work in AU or if it is almost impossible for foreing Pilots.
Thanks =)
Thanks =)
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matteolo,
(presuming you're 'fresh CPL', if not, things may be easier for you)
THIS link should give you an idea. As an Italian citizen, you should be fine for any sort of job for, giving you 12 months. Technically, up to 6 months with one employer, but I've heard of some folks not really caring about it.
Fairly straightforward application online, then sending off some docs IF needed.
Being pilot isn't skilled job as per Australian skilled migration regulations/policies. I did it to death with some folks. There's a guy who know of guys who got regular work permit offers from instructing jobs with some schools that don't have many FIs around. Not to be taken as rule and these days it may not be possible, thanks to downturn in recruitment, upward movement etc.
While Australia is known to have given chance to some heli lowtimers without instructing first (bear in mind about 400TT IIRC to be able to instruct, leaving gap between fresh CPL and right to instruct), I think it'd be more likely for some local guys who would be nurtured by the company for long-term job. Not great for WHV holders only.
If you got some spare cash, you could try to do Aus CPL with one of the companies (yellow paint scheme) that does some sightseeing around Ayers Rock with their grads. Not a guarantee though.
If I were you, I'd try New Zealand.
You should be fine with FI rating and 200h TT heli to be able to instruct.
There's one newer heli school that just sorted student visa options for their prospective students, so they should get more custom on top of local guys.
Check out Vertical.
THIS link to NZ govt page would give you an idea. 12 months, technically 3 months with one job.
Beauty of NZ system is that it's not so starchy as OZ. If you get a skilled (not flying) job offer or job itself, residence visa should be paper-pushing exercise. Sure, may not be for you. Dunno.
Being in NZ, you'd get great mountain flying, sling load as part of CPL syllabus, etc. Then you can always go to Australia if you manage to fly a bit/or not. 'Converting' NZ to OZ CPL licences is a bureaucracy. Nowhere near as hassle as getting one of these for the first time (=what I've read researching stuff for past 2 years, check details yourself).
(presuming you're 'fresh CPL', if not, things may be easier for you)
THIS link should give you an idea. As an Italian citizen, you should be fine for any sort of job for, giving you 12 months. Technically, up to 6 months with one employer, but I've heard of some folks not really caring about it.
Fairly straightforward application online, then sending off some docs IF needed.
Being pilot isn't skilled job as per Australian skilled migration regulations/policies. I did it to death with some folks. There's a guy who know of guys who got regular work permit offers from instructing jobs with some schools that don't have many FIs around. Not to be taken as rule and these days it may not be possible, thanks to downturn in recruitment, upward movement etc.
While Australia is known to have given chance to some heli lowtimers without instructing first (bear in mind about 400TT IIRC to be able to instruct, leaving gap between fresh CPL and right to instruct), I think it'd be more likely for some local guys who would be nurtured by the company for long-term job. Not great for WHV holders only.
If you got some spare cash, you could try to do Aus CPL with one of the companies (yellow paint scheme) that does some sightseeing around Ayers Rock with their grads. Not a guarantee though.
If I were you, I'd try New Zealand.
You should be fine with FI rating and 200h TT heli to be able to instruct.
There's one newer heli school that just sorted student visa options for their prospective students, so they should get more custom on top of local guys.
Check out Vertical.
THIS link to NZ govt page would give you an idea. 12 months, technically 3 months with one job.
Beauty of NZ system is that it's not so starchy as OZ. If you get a skilled (not flying) job offer or job itself, residence visa should be paper-pushing exercise. Sure, may not be for you. Dunno.
Being in NZ, you'd get great mountain flying, sling load as part of CPL syllabus, etc. Then you can always go to Australia if you manage to fly a bit/or not. 'Converting' NZ to OZ CPL licences is a bureaucracy. Nowhere near as hassle as getting one of these for the first time (=what I've read researching stuff for past 2 years, check details yourself).
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Hey there guys,
Can you tell me what the current economic situation is for pilots in Oz right now? Is there any chance of building a few hours mustering somewhere? I know the pay isn't great, but the way things are now I'd be grateful for anything....I'm a low timer with 140 odd hours, Canadian CPL by the way.
Any advice welcome....
Can you tell me what the current economic situation is for pilots in Oz right now? Is there any chance of building a few hours mustering somewhere? I know the pay isn't great, but the way things are now I'd be grateful for anything....I'm a low timer with 140 odd hours, Canadian CPL by the way.
Any advice welcome....
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Holybejasus,
The days of getting a CPLH/low hours and going mustering are long gone unless you have good cattle experience. There are loads of ringers out there training or with completed CPL's that will be WELL infront of someone who has no experience on the North Australian stations.
That's not the response you wanted to hear mate I know but those are the facts
There are jobs around OZ for Low hour pilots, these are mostly in tourism.
First you need to get yourself an Australian Licence then you need a work permit of some sort and then you need to be here knocking on doors, on the other hand if it is mustering you're interested in have a look at the Queensland country life newspaper online, they have lots of adverts for jobs on stations, mostly ground work but that would be a good start and get you the experience you need before you can work cattle from the air.
The days of getting a CPLH/low hours and going mustering are long gone unless you have good cattle experience. There are loads of ringers out there training or with completed CPL's that will be WELL infront of someone who has no experience on the North Australian stations.
That's not the response you wanted to hear mate I know but those are the facts
There are jobs around OZ for Low hour pilots, these are mostly in tourism.
First you need to get yourself an Australian Licence then you need a work permit of some sort and then you need to be here knocking on doors, on the other hand if it is mustering you're interested in have a look at the Queensland country life newspaper online, they have lots of adverts for jobs on stations, mostly ground work but that would be a good start and get you the experience you need before you can work cattle from the air.
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There are jobs around OZ for Low hour pilots, these are mostly in tourism.
And thanks for the mustering info, I'll check up the online newspaper and see what's involved. But I can tell you I'd crawl over broken glass at this stage if it involved me getting a few hours up!
