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MD83FO 7th Nov 2021 13:40

A320 preselecting QNH
 
Anybody see an issue with preselecting QHN on the altimeter in cruise?
will the flight guidance start to chase the temporarily selected QNH ?

thanks

richardthethird 7th Nov 2021 16:11

No, it won’t chase the level as you set QNH and I personally can see no problem with that being done. Some people mention it may worry ATC as they “see” you changing settings briefly, but I’m not even convinced the short period it takes to set QNH and go back to standard again is long enough for that happen. Maybe others know better.

Denti 7th Nov 2021 16:23

ATC? They only see altitude reported based on STD, they do not care at all whatever you set. That said, usually ATC updating is only once every few seconds, so they don't see it anyway. Preselecting QNH has been SOP in all airlines i have worked in so far, no problem with that.

richardthethird 7th Nov 2021 18:22

Agreed - personally I believe it’s nonsense, but whomever it was that I heard spout the suggestion was intimating it was something to do with controllers being able to see your selections via mode S or ADSB or something. I don’t know enough to say whether it’s true or not, nor have the inclination to find out. It never caused me any problems in the past.

FlightDetent 7th Nov 2021 20:40

The selected altitude = FCU value is being transmitted. Temporary moving from STD to QNH does not change that.

The ASI read-out on PFD is affected, but that one is not sent out (STD-based value is, hardwired).

MD83FO 8th Nov 2021 02:57

And when it comes to guidance, why does it not capture the QNH altitude?
is it stated in the FCOM?

FlightDetent 8th Nov 2021 06:57

Obviously because it is the correct thing to do. :) Don't think I saw a written explanation.

Technically, the ALT(CRZ) should hold the isobaric surface, and changing the Kollman's window does not alter the readout from the static port. Speculating again, it could be engineered this way to achieve the goal.

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MD83FO 10th Nov 2021 10:04

Brilliant, thank you

ahramin 10th Nov 2021 20:28

There are a few misconceptions here. Yes, your current altitude is sent out with reference to STD and corrected by ATC's systems for QNH. An erroneous QNH setting will have no effect on ATC's end. However the selected altitude that some ATC systems can see through the Mode S ES is referenced to the QNH set on the FCU even if the altimeter is in STD mode.

So there is no problem with going to QNH on the altimeter, preselecting your QNH, and returning to STD. The only caveat is that if the QNH setting is very different from standard and ATC happens to look at your selected altitude, then they could query you as to what altitude you are going to level off at. In which case you can just set the QNH to 1013 / 29.92 and everyone's happy.

Personally I set the QNH where the SOP says to set the QNH (just before transition level). However until this point the QNH set on the altimeter is some random setting from 7 hours ago and ATC has never complained so the preset method suggested above really isn't a problem.

FlightDetent 11th Nov 2021 06:02


However the selected altitude that some ATC systems can see through the Mode S ES is referenced to the QNH set on the FCU even if the altimeter is in STD mode.
Is that the bug reported about 5 years ago?

I understood so far 2 values are transmitted. The FCU selected ALT and the baro-pressure setting. For some weird technical reason, the S mode transmits the last QNH at all times. ATC systems at the moment ignore the selected pressure value, so no harm is being done yet.

Not sure where to find the original Information Telex from Airbus, sure someone has access to it ...?

note: mode C transmits the STD-referenced readout of the ASI at all times.

ahramin 12th Nov 2021 03:56


ATC systems at the moment ignore the selected pressure value
Our SOP says differently but it's got other mistakes. Do you have a reference for that statement? Thank you.

FlightDetent 16th Nov 2021 22:30

Still struggle to find the OIT, it's gotten pointless without it.

My other memory is the STAC visit and a 10 minutes seat next to one of the Essex Radar Magicians. I actually observed the readout on the screen being different and wrong. His explanation was 'dont care'

ahramin 16th Nov 2021 23:35

That was my understanding as well.

CW247 23rd Dec 2021 15:21

What is the impact on TCAS of this? Say we happen to pre-select a lower QNH whilst directly above opposite traffic passing a thousand feet below? A trainer from Asia (nice guy but not sure he was correct) had this banned via the SOP on fear it could trigger a TCAS RA. In fact, it was a remark on my line check.

FlightDetent 23rd Dec 2021 15:43

TCAS should work with XPDR mode C altitude.
This should be hardwired to STD.
Remember, there is only one static pressure. Changing the QNH is calibrating the scale on the altimeter, not changing the source pressure itself.


richardthethird 23rd Dec 2021 16:35

Very interesting thread. Thanks flightdetent.


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