PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Questions (https://www.pprune.org/questions-67/)
-   -   Unusual Con Trail (https://www.pprune.org/questions/592363-unusual-con-trail.html)

Milt 18th Mar 2017 00:24

Unusual Con Trail
 
Just observed an unusual con trail which had regularly closely spaced mini cumulus like blobs developing below the main con trail stream.
Aircraft was likely a twin jet.
Am finding it hard to comprehend how the blobs could be triggered from steady state conditions at a rate of about 10 per second considering the aircraft's air speed. The only non steady state I can think of would be engines out of synch.

Amadis of Gaul 18th Mar 2017 21:11

Must have been the Aurora.

john_tullamarine 19th Mar 2017 11:03

Folks .. Milt is a VERY experienced pilot and TP. Ergo, his question should be taken a bit more seriously. I, for one, am interested in the answer ...

safetypee 19th Mar 2017 12:39

Milt, pure speculation.
With the advent of modern aerodynamics and wing tip add-ons perhaps the effect is due to an unusual interaction between the wing and engine exhaust.
The effect would then depend on aircraft type / add-on.

I noticed another oddity recently with what appeared to be an A380. This type quickly forms two trails from the four engines, suggesting a wing effect. However, as a one off, two additional faint trails formed apparently below the two main trails, somewhat like an inverted rooster tail. From a distance the effect was similar to fighter aircraft tanking, but there was only one aircraft.

A consideration for both effects is a flight path at the boundary of sufficiently different air masses so that an aircraft wake could actually form cu cloud in your instance, or a stratus like trail in mine.

P.S. Yours?
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...CwwLA..i&w=900

Mine were similar to this twin jet.
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...AowCg..i&w=700

P.P.S also see https://cloudappreciationsociety.org/november-2016/

Note that all of the photos are associated with a cloud layer, may be relevant.

Milt 19th Mar 2017 23:17

TangoAlphad

Con trail was horizon to horizon with remarkable regularity.
Wish I had taken a photo.
Reminds me of the very rare sightings I have seen of the full circle of a rainbow.

Milt 19th Mar 2017 23:28

safetypee

Your first image clearly shows the unusual blobs I observed.

Superpilot 20th Mar 2017 12:09

Blobs mentioned here:

http://www.pprune.org/spectators-bal...don-today.html

stator vane 20th Mar 2017 21:51

I've seen them before
 
More than once, in flight, but as to the cause, I cannot add further than some guesses: possible relative variations of humidity, temperature layers, direction of the aircraft, its resultant contrail in relation to dominant crosswind, or perhaps in an area of rather low winds, between changing vectors of wind direction.

safetypee 20th Mar 2017 22:19

Milt, still without explanation, I recall that there was extensive RAE research into wake turbulence which involved photos of contrails. I cannot locate any references; circa 1970s.
You might wish to contact Genghis who should have contacts in this area.

Alternatively, read up on chaos theory; interactions of vortex systems.


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:06.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.