Taxiway centre line off a runway, lead on or lead off?
For performance and professionality, are yellow taxiway centrelines for lead on or lead off purposes?
I always thought the latter as you need help in getting off in a hurry rather than getting on. It also gives you an excuse to make a smooth 90 turn on and use all runway rather than a slow gradual kind of sweep if you follow the centreline in most instances. A reference would be really useful too. Thank you. |
Best get your PPL books out and have read.
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Hi
I have but can't see a reference. Please help. |
Both. FAA AIM 2-3-4:
b. Taxiway Centerline. 1. Normal Centerline. The taxiway centerline is a single continuous yellow line, 6 inches (15 cm) to 12 inches (30 cm) in width. This provides a visual cue to permit taxiing along a designated path. Ideally, the aircraft should be kept centered over this line during taxi. However, being centered on the taxiway centerline does not guarantee wingtip clearance with other aircraft or other objects. |
Think I have it;
5.2.8.1 Taxiway centre line marking shall be provided on a paved taxiway, de-icing/anti-icing facility and apron where the code number is 3 or 4 in such a way as to provide continuous guidance between the runway centre line and aircraft stands. So starting off on the runway centre line, LEAD OFF to the aircraft stands?? |
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For someone with over 2000 hours on B737 alone your questions worry me and a lot of posters on here.
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But we have contradicting words here!
Which is right! RTFQ or in this case RTFA |
Yes I agree but the fairly well respected UK CAA was hinting that they are also lead on?
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I agree but the report says the lines which are not at 90 degrees are referred to as lead on/lead off.
Tax way W at Aberdeen A rport requ red a turn through slightly more than 90o to line up with the centrel ne of Runway 6. Thank you. |
Interesting question. The taxiway markings at a runway/taxiway intersection are considered mainly for lead-off purposes so ensuring a vacating aircraft following the marking doesn't leave the paved surface. The markings do serve as lead-on guidance for take-off but often once the aircraft goes beyond the holding point onto the runway pilots deviate from the line to reduce the line-up allowance knowing there should be sufficient pavement runway width to do this safely. Airports should bear this in mind when designing blast pads at runway ends to ensure they are secure and can cope with the increased jet blast from this type of manoeuvre.
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Originally Posted by Pin Head
(Post 9572845)
I agree but the report says the lines which are not at 90 degrees are referred to as lead on/lead off.
Tax way W at Aberdeen A rport requ red a turn through slightly more than 90o to line up with the centrel ne of Runway 6. Thank you. This line is variously described colloquially as the ‘lead on’ or ‘lead off’ line depending on whether an aircraft is entering or vacating a runway |
Line up allowance for loss in turn from 90° TWY is in the region of 14 meters on A320 family. And the performance figures are based on that number.
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I think what the OP is asking in a roundabout way is where is an intersection TODA is measured from, an imaginary intersection of an (extended) taxiway centreline and the runway centreline or where the yellow taxi line eventually meets the Rwy centreline which is somewhat shorter, for those willing to gamble with an odd 10 metres or so in their t/o performance calcs.
The inelegant and uncomfortable swerve away and swerve back again line-up manoeuvre is a sign to me that either margins have been left too short (requiring more distance or more thrust) or the crew disn't look at the excess runway available. In my old company it was endemic but few could rationalise why it was needed. It also puzzles the hell out of ATC and following traffic who thought you'd been cleared for an intersection departure only to see you turning back towards the threshold. |
Not a certified pilot but in no way do you use the yellow taxi line when entering a runway to line up.
Its kind of worrying you don't know this and even more frightening if your performance is based on this runway entry and you are at your Takeoff field length limit weight :( |
Not a certified pilot but in no way do you use the yellow taxi line when entering a runway to line up. |
Are they available at any Europe airports or even any Europe based airlines?
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The only time I follow the yellow line during line up is in low vis.
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Is that incase if you try to do a 90* turn you could end up off the runway?
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So, then, what do you do in Cat II or Cat III visibility, when using SMGCS lighting, which follows those yellow lines? The green-yellow coded runway turnoff light are simply ignored just as they are in good vis. |
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