Take off RTOW charts for Airbus A320
 

Hi
I am not pilot, although I have friends that are airliner pilots. I plan to start (when I can afford it, my PPL Private Pilot License).
I've been reading the forum so this is a place for professionals and I tried to post in the place I thought more appropriate, my apologies if I do a mistake.
I am flying the Airbus A320 in the Xplane 10 simulator, and I would like to know where may I download the Take Off Charts RTOW.

I am attaching a picture.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...cutegina_5.jpg

As you may see these charts are intended for every runway in certain conditions.

This chart is for the Paris Orly Airport, LFPO, Runway 08, runway condition DRY.

So let's imagine I want to take off from LEBL Barcelona El Prat Airport from the runway 07R in DRY conditions.

How may I get the RTOW chart for this runway and airport?

I need these charts to calculate the V1 V2 VR speeds.

Cheers
Xavier

Xavier,

Please note, thats not a real performance chart for LFPG 08, the TORA is 1500m, the real TORA is upwards of 3000m so all the figures are quite conservative.

I doubt that you will get any 'real' charts as they tend to be quite well protected... Lots of work goes into their production. If you search the flight simulator forums then you may get some 'dummy' data there.

It's only 1500m because it is a "runway works" chart, ie, half the runway is closed.

Hi Cough,
You said very well protected ? is that secret information ? don't understand why ?

Well I just wanted to calculate the V speeds as they show in this video from the Baltic Air Academy.

I'm attaching the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfEz...utu.be&t=3m10s

I'm not a real pilot, but when I fly simulators I like to be as close as possible to real pilots. It's the same if the chart hasn't 100% accurate data, but I just wanted to follow the procedure.

What really confuse me is what authority release those charts? Airbus? Navtech? FAA?

Cheers

no freebie
 

Maaaaaate! The clue is in the heading note paper. It indicates a specific company, a specific airport and a specific set of conditions that were in force at a particular time.

As it says in the Good Book the labourer is worth of his hire. Someone has has had to sit down and reduce all these factors into one easily accessible package. Then when conditions change, do it all again.

All this must be paid for by someone, it does not happen by itself. Don't give me this "secret" nonsense, you know darn well by who whom this work is done... the regulators, the engineers, the service providers. All of whom have to put food on the table, pay the mortgage, life insurance, bring up kids.

The Airbus training department is exercising its right to retain commercially sensitive information for itself and those who pay for the privilege of using its services. They also have the legal duty of care. Same with Boeing and any competitors.

It is also safeguarding fools from misusing the information or re-packaging it under another guise. If I did a cut-and-paste job and fiddled a few figures and offered it on the cheap or free could you tell the difference? Would that make you feel you were following my footsteps more closely?

Xavier
 

It's as exactly as enicalyth and cough describe.

The data isn't "secret" but it is very much commercially protected.

The charts have to be produced to the operator's/manufacturers specifications and they have to be kept up to date to reflect any work in progress on the runway, temporary obstacles around the airport, etc, plus reflect the current aircraft operators/manufacturers procedures. As a result they are expensive to produce and expensive to maintain. Anyone having access to these charts/tables would be foolish publishing them here or anywhere else for that matter without approval, since doing so could quite possibly lead to the loss of one's job.

As has been mentioned maybe you can get some "dummy" data from a flight sim source.

Hi, I'm starting to understand. "Protected commercially", aha.
Okay.
I'm not very good talking about money or politics so don't understand what damage could do people flying simulators to Airbus. Perhaps they resell that information, but even if you can download this information via Internet, I don't think any pilot in the world be using information from the Internet instead the information provided by the company. So... really I don't understand the damage.
I have a friend flying the 737-800 at Ryanair, he is captain and it's using a tablet provided by the company. Also I have another friend at MEA airlines flying airbus, also captain, and he told me the same, they use a tablet with the software. He told me those charts are very old and they use updated information and do all the calculations thru the tablet.

Regarding the dummy data, perhaps there are levels in which you love and fly simulators. I even would like to consult NOTAMS before making a flight to change my route (and of course in the simulator world anything related to NOTAMS would happen that force me to change a route)

Seems to be I won't get the charts. :ugh::=

Just a question... Jeppessen don't have this kind of product? they don't do this kind of charts right? This is only something from Airbus?

Cheers

Performance base data is supplied by the OEM, however there are third party companies that do offer runway performance. But nowadays it is usually cheaper to use the OEM data via their software tools, all you need to do is buy an aircraft, get a service contract and you get it "for free". Well, if you consider buying a 70 million dollar aircraft and paying a couple hundred thousand a year for free.

The problem with making those charts freely available is that not all carriers use best industry practices, there are some very dodgy outfits out there that wouldn't shy away from using free information instead of paying for it. By the way, the iOS software from airbus is completely free of charge available on the app store. You just won't have any of the required data, for that you need to buy the aircraft first.

Got it. Crystal clear. Anybody would get the charts unless they buy the aircraft.
What is difficult for me is to accept the idea that not all carriers would use the best industry practices. It's difficult for me that a certain company could compromise its investment (the aircraft), the crew, and the passengers lives by using free charts "downloaded in a forum or via bittorrent" :bored:
I'm not a real pilot, so I don't know what sort of things happens inside this world.
Sad. I'll have to use dummy data.
By the way the most scary thing I've heard these days was from Air Baltic, the 80% of the crew "drunk" before a flight from Norway to Greece, including the First Officer and the captain. Not sure, but I think they were arrested?
Air Baltic apologies video it's here. Flight #BT7843



After this, perhaps you are right, perhaps there are carriers that would use "data downloaded by the internet".

I just dreamed to follow the most accurate procedure possible in the simulator.

Cheers

you are learning
 

Congratulations on the way you have handled the interchanges and absorbed some disappointing news and learned that not all air operators are the same. I think the respondents have measured up too. If it is any help I chose a sim for my niece and nephew and recommended a well-known US supplier who specialises in Boeing products. The reason? It was by far the best researched, documented and supported product. A lot of the time what we fly is determined by our employers, you can start out on one airframer and find yourself on another.

Best Regards

the "E"

Hey mate!
Everyone of us, I'm quite young 31, before entering in the real world used to spend lot of time with Flight sims. In my days we had very few possibilities but now I think there are pay softwares very similar. I used topcat which is quite similar to the Lpc-ng. There's a free software too that I don't remember the name.
i think the datas you are looking for you'll never find just for free