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jonnyamici 25th Aug 2012 03:57

Turbulence speed
 
Hello everybody. I have a question regarding the turbulence penetration speed. The 767 turbulence speed is 290 KIAS/ .78 Mach. My question is, if the ECON speed is .77 Mach, should I accelerate to .78 Mach if turbulence is encountered?

Thanks

Nimer767 25th Aug 2012 18:29

Which ever is less

burgerbun 26th Aug 2012 09:42

Turbulence speed
 
Yep, seat belts signs on, open the speed window, 0.78 in it, then start the clock!

BOAC 26th Aug 2012 10:38


Yep, seat belts signs on,
- you forgot to add - 'now grab a chance to go to the toilet':)

1jz 26th Aug 2012 12:38

Max turb penetration speed is max, it doesn't preclude flying slower than that.

Pugilistic Animus 26th Aug 2012 13:00

Vtp is a comprimise between ending up dangerously fast or dangerously slow
as gusts can lead to both conditions... therefore without very good reasons one should not generally fly slower than Vtp either...I've written about those limitations before but I don't want to repeat all of that...I'll try to find those old posts as the argument is quite involved; note my typing at times is bad---so if I wrote something that doesn't make sense let me know...:uhoh:

http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...es-flight.html

my post in the above may make more sense in light of seeing FAR25.341
Note I'm speaking about a 'loophole' in the gust envelope

Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

:)

AerocatS2A 28th Aug 2012 00:42

Yep, turbulence penetration speed is a target air speed for turbulence penetration. It gives adequate margin above the stall and below any limiting speeds assuming you're not flying too high for the conditions encountered. The type I fly allows for lower rough air speeds at low level to facilitate climb through the turbulent layer, but in general you should aim for the published RA speed.

Something else that people tend to forget is that it is a speed for severe turbulence. In your case you don't need to fly at M0.78 just because you've had to put the seat belt signs on. On the other hand you don't want to be caught out either. Personally I'd not worry about the speed for light turbulence, and I'd go for RA speed for moderate turbulence in case it becomes severe and of course try to find a better level and/or try to get out of the CB I'd blundered into ;).

sevenstrokeroll 28th Aug 2012 23:48

do yourself a big favor:

go out and buy the following books:

1. "FLY THE WING" by Webb

2. "Handling the Big Jets" by Dp Davies

read them...absorb everything.

Pugilistic Animus 29th Aug 2012 03:19

sevenstrokeroll Yes!!!:ok::ok::ok:

From your name I think you'd agree with me that these are insane performances!...:)
Gene Krupa
Gene Krupa - Shadow Rhapsodie - 1947
Gene Krupa - SING SING SING - 1937

jonnyamici 30th Aug 2012 00:38

Thank you all!

John Farley 30th Aug 2012 13:00

PA

Quite agree. Mind you I would bet he could handle a relight in the hover too.

Pugilistic Animus 30th Aug 2012 14:21

Mr. Farley probably single handed...now I can't resist a few more--as he blows EVERYBODY out of the H2O---even Buddy Rich...everytime I'm at my kit I feel immensely inadequate as a result---sometimes I don't know why we even try...:uhoh:



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