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TotalBeginner 23rd Mar 2007 23:21

Airbus - Autothrust question
 
Why is the area between IDLE and the CL gate on the airbus thrust levers labelled A/THR? Is this not the range where thrust is controlled manually?

TotalBeginner 25th Mar 2007 16:08

Any ideas?

TopBunk 25th Mar 2007 16:47

But it's also the range of thrust settings available to the aircraft with autothrust engaged and in the CLB detent.

TotalBeginner 25th Mar 2007 17:39


But it's also the range of thrust settings available to the aircraft with autothrust engaged and in the CLB detent.
I don't understand :(

Clandestino 25th Mar 2007 20:19

With autothrust off, thrust levers on A320 (and I suspect on the other FBW airbi too) work as normal trust levers. However, autothrust operation is much different compared to Boieng's autothrottle. Airbus thrust levers don't move with power changes and while A/THR is working, their position sets limit to maximum N1 the A/THR can command. Normally they're set to CLB detent or MCT in one engine operation. N1 equivalent to current thrust levers position is displayed as small circles on N1 ECAM EWD display (upper center one).

So on airbus after you set the thrust levers to clb position, the autohrust is active and its control range is between climb power and idle. I don't claim this to be the answer to the original question, but it's the best that I can think of.

hotmetal 25th Mar 2007 21:25

pulling the levers out of the CL detent when autothrust is engaged does not disengage the autothrust. You could have the levers half way between idle and Cl [can't think why you'd want to] and autothust will still work but max thrust will be limited to the position of the levers.

TotalBeginner 25th Mar 2007 22:06

Now it's crystal clear! Just out of interest, what would happen if you set the thrust levers to a limit that meant the A/THR could not maintain the speed. For example, the aircraft is descending in "open decent" and the THR levers are at IDLE. When the aircraft levels, would the speed decay, until some sort of flight envelope protection takes over, or would the A/THR exceed the commanded limit in order to preserve the speed?

DBate 26th Mar 2007 00:18


would the speed decay, until some sort of flight envelope protection takes over
Yes, correct - with the conditions you mentioned (Thrust Levers at idle, OP DES).

Clandestino 30th Mar 2007 06:54

Pulling the thrust levers all the way to idle is one of the ways to disconnect the autothrust. But even with autothrust off, when certain (quite high) value of AoA is reached, autothrust will command TOGA power regardless of the position of the thrust levers. Airbus calls it alpha floor.

lostcomm 31st Mar 2007 09:57

ATHR
 
but this is not so if the aircraft is below 100 ft. Then no TOGA. Remember AirFrance crash.
LC
:(

TotalBeginner 1st Apr 2007 20:17


but this is not so if the aircraft is below 100 ft. Then no TOGA. Remember AirFrance crash.
I guess to prevent TOGA during a normal landing?

lostcomm 2nd Aug 2007 14:27

Silberfuchs,

that is what I ment. The alfa floor function is inhibited. In manual thrust all setings are available all the time. This is kindda logical dont you think. As I remember Clandestino was talking about the autothrust function and alfa floor. MAybe you shoud read better the next time.:ugh:


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