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frostbite 25th Aug 2006 14:28

What is point of military escort?
 
As has happened recently, when a pilot reports a certain type of incident, military jets are sent to escort the aircraft to a landing.

But seriously, what can they do?

OK, they could shoot the aircraft down (highly unlikely, even if they have live armaments), or what?

Are there any other options in the face of , say, a determined hijacker?

Getoutofmygalley 25th Aug 2006 15:34

In the event of a situation where a hijacker or whatever has exploded some kind of device, the military aircraft pilot can provide the captain with information on damage to the aircrafts control surfaces etc.

The military jet isn't just there to shoot down the 'renegade' airliner, it is also there to be a set of outside eyes for the flight crew.

Dream Land 25th Aug 2006 16:55

There to protect the public, i.e., shoot down the aircraft.

iamhere 25th Aug 2006 19:58

In the "Good Old Days" they were there to escort the aircraft and intimidate the HiJackers.

Today; er, The fighter is there to do all the above. And To Shoot It Down Befor It Can Be Crashed Into Someones (like you or me) Local Town Causing Mass Death And Distruction.

There IS A WAR going on out there!
If its got the BAD guys in it then = SHOOT IT DOWN.

helopat 26th Aug 2006 01:02


Originally Posted by iamhere
There IS A WAR going on out there!
If its got the BAD guys in it then = SHOOT IT DOWN.

Is it as simple as that for you? Just black and white? :confused: Or are you yanking our collective chain. I'm sure the pilots have very specific ROE, but I doubt if its as simple as shoot down the 747 with 500 innocent civilians aboard just because theres a baddie aboard...unless it meets the ROE, then bad luck for all I suppose:( .

HP

Jinkster 2nd Sep 2006 00:18

Depends if its RAF or USAF on your wing tips!!

:ooh:

Sorry just watched Hollywood film!! :ouch:

chevvron 2nd Sep 2006 11:43

Was gonna say who saw Airforce One last night!

Jinkster 2nd Sep 2006 11:44

Have a wild guess ;)

jayteeto 3rd Sep 2006 10:01

You say 'highly unlikely' for a shootdown. I tend to disagree on the likely outcome of a hijack........:uhoh:

BellEndBob 3rd Sep 2006 10:20

If you want to deter, then sometimes you have to demonstrate the intent and capability for 'wider' consumption.

A form of 'advertising' if you like.

NIMFLT 15th Sep 2006 01:42

You shoot down an airliner carrying 500 people and the terrorists have a (another) win.

PS: You'd have to wait until we had an aircraft capable of carrying 500 people. (747SR excepted)!

Pierre Argh 17th Sep 2006 13:03


There IS A WAR going on out there!
If its got the BAD guys in it then = SHOOT IT DOWN.
Probably got a lot of good guys, good gals and very good babies in it too! How can you be so blase? The WAR as you call it is a farce, a name dreamt up by some half-witted politicians (they know who they are) to justify attrocities in the name of peace and democrasy, which IMHO have made the world a much less safer place.

theresalwaysone 17th Sep 2006 13:34

Please note RAF escorts are only available Mon to Friday from 09.00 to 17.00(16.30 on Fridays)

DelaneyT 23rd Sep 2006 19:03


Originally Posted by frostbite (Post 2799477)
As has happened recently, when a pilot reports a certain type of incident, military jets are sent to escort the aircraft to a landing.

But seriously, what can they do?


Nothing. Its all for political show.

I doubt any military pilot would actually pull the trigger on an airliner he knew to be full of innocent civilians.
:rolleyes:

hobie 24th Sep 2006 19:46


I doubt any military pilot would actually pull the trigger on an airliner he knew to be full of innocent civilians.
even if it was heading straight for a Nuclear Power station? .....

I wonder? .... :confused:

DelaneyT 24th Sep 2006 20:12


Originally Posted by hobie (Post 2870243)
even if it was heading straight for a Nuclear Power station? .....

I wonder? .... :confused:

Nuke Plants are designed to withstand aircraft hits (... at least in the U.S.). Plus under any circumstances, the military pilot could never know with certainty that his tragic actions would prevent a greater tragedy.

Nevertheless, the primary question is one of ethics. Is it OK to deliberately kill innocents, in hopes of saving other innocents ?
:sad:

fireflybob 24th Sep 2006 20:18


I doubt any military pilot would actually pull the trigger on an airliner he knew to be full of innocent civilians
Even when the Commander-in-Chief orders that said aircraft is shot down?

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 25th Sep 2006 06:40

Commander in Chief? Are we narrowing this down to a particular Country now?

Harrier46 25th Sep 2006 07:59


I doubt any military pilot would actually pull the trigger on an airliner he knew to be full of innocent civilians.
Why not, it has been done before. And I have no doubt in the right circumstances it would be done again. Remember, there are more than two countries facing threats from terrorists so let's widen the discussion to include them also.

Needlesplit 25th Sep 2006 08:42


Originally Posted by DelaneyT (Post 2868588)

I doubt any military pilot would actually pull the trigger on an airliner he knew to be full of innocent civilians.
:rolleyes:

No! - go on - you really believe that! :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: ...strewth!!!!!!!

In the HIGHLY unlikely event that you managed to find ONE fully trained, fully armed, fast jet pilot under ORDERS to fire who failed to do so then his mates would certainly, happily and QUICKLY put their coffee down and pop along to finish the job. (If his wingman didnt get in there first)

Following their [legal] orders [and this would be legal] is what they have TRAINED to do and thats what they WANT to do and dont let anyone tell you otherwise!:=


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