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BobAgg 21st Apr 2006 18:49

Concorde Questions
Having just visited Concorde at East Fortune, and reading some various displays, can anyone tell me if the flight engineers were also able to pilot the aircraft?


vapilot2004 21st Apr 2006 19:01

I would say no, however I think both the captain and FOs needed to be familiar with the 2nd officers position.

I've seen the FE's panel :eek: and if they could master that job, one would think they could be trained to fly her.

There are former Concorde pilots here, perhaps they can better tell the story.

PAXboy 21st Apr 2006 21:19

Those good folks will be along shortly but I recall an earlier thread where an FE spoke of the training as backup and that they did learn how to 'steer'.

BobAgg 21st Apr 2006 21:29

Cheers guys!

I was watching the various Concordes' on radar the day they retired,and my father in law's been at me to take him to see -AA in East Fortune, so today was the day!

What an awe-inspiring machine from the outside, truely magnificent, the flight deck is bigger than I thought and the FE's panel was, well, mind boggling!

East Fortune have put on a magnificent display, one of the exhibits mentioned that the FE was also able to pilot the 'plane, I was just wondering to what extent they were able!

One last thing, surely there is ONE machine that's being kept in top nick for display's etc.
If a Lancaster and a Connie are still kicking about, surely the Concorde will be able to do a flypast at displays in the future!


Bellerophon 21st Apr 2006 22:17


...tell me if the flight engineers were also able to pilot the aircraft?...

No, BA flight engineers were never trained to pilot Concorde.

On all the various BA fleets that required a flight engineer, he was always a professional engineer, and not a pilot. He was required to hold a CAA Flight Engineerís Licence, and was on a different seniority list to the pilots.

They were not, as was the practice in several airlines in the USA, newly hired pilots awaiting their turn to upgrade to the F/O seat.

Many experienced flight engineers came to BA on retirement from the military, others were ground engineers within BA who successfully applied for vacancies that were advertised within the company, and were then trained by BA.

In the Concorde simulator, during a training session, very occasionally there might be a pilot incapacitation scenario that required the F/E to sit in a pilotís seat and assist the remaining pilot, or attempt an autoland on his own. Likewise, following a simulated F/E incapacitation, the F/O would move to and operate the F/Eís panel, but that was as far as it went.

That is not to say that some of the F/Eís would not have made a pretty good job if called upon to do so in a dire emergency. Several of them had PPLs, with a few CPLs and instructors ratings about as well; however it would have depended very much on the luck of the roster as to who you had on the day.

Many BA flight engineers subsequently retrained as pilots, and several are still flying with BA today. Most subsequently upgraded to Captain, and few now hold appointments as instructors.

One or two of them even post on PPRuNe!

Best regards


BobAgg 22nd Apr 2006 00:07

Thanks very much Bellerophon! :ok:

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