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anybodyatall 31st Dec 2005 02:51

Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Just curious...

For a CFM56-5B4 engine (typical for an A320):

What would be the approx. rpms of the turbofan at a N1 of 100% ?

Thanks in advance.

:ok:

anybodyatall 31st Dec 2005 04:25

I managed to answer my own question:
5200 RPM (max N1 at 104%).

Source:
http://www.aftd.com/TCDS_PDFS%5CE37NE_10.pdf

Tonic Please 1st Jan 2006 16:26

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Only 5200 RPM at max power? I'm very suprised. Considering cars do that with a significant engine rev. :confused:

A-FLOOR 1st Jan 2006 19:23

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 

Originally Posted by Tonic Please
Only 5200 RPM at max power? I'm very suprised. Considering cars do that with a significant engine rev. :confused:

The difference is that the CFM56 N1 shaft is probably about similar in size to this entire car :}

anybodyatall 1st Jan 2006 19:44

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Plus the tips of the blades at 5200 RPM are going very fast (supersonic).

Tonic Please 1st Jan 2006 21:26

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
So its the middle of the fan going 5200? Or something else? What is used to come up with the speed?

A-FLOOR, made me chuckle :) Supersonic speeds on the tips? Bloody hell.

Pilot Pete 1st Jan 2006 21:45

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Middle, centre or tips; they're all rotating 5200 times in one minute!:ok:

Tonic Please 1st Jan 2006 21:46

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Exactly, so how can the tips be going "supersonic"?

Pilot Pete 1st Jan 2006 22:11

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 

Originally Posted by Tonic Please
Exactly, so how can the tips be going "supersonic"?

They are revolving at 5200rpm, but towards the centre is travelling a smaller circumference (ie distance) than the tips, which are travelling much further in the same amount of time, hence in terms of mph/kph/m/s etc etc, the further from the rotational centre the faster they are travelling. Try it by putting a disc of card on a pencil. Mark a point on the edge and a point near the centre. Turn the disc slowly and see how much faster the mark on the edge has to go to cover one rotation of the disc......

Revolutions per minute may be the speed the shaft is turning at, but it is not the speed through the air that a point on a disc on that shaft is achieving.

PP

barit1 1st Jan 2006 23:33

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
The numbers say:

Fan diameter is 67" or 5.6 feet. The state of Arkansas has legislated that pi=3, so I'll use that to find the circumference is 16.8 feet. And the blade tips travel 16.8 feet every revolution.

Speaking of revolutions, if we do 5200 in a minute, that's 83 in a second.

So - 16.8 feet in revolution, and 83 revolutions in a second, so it's about 1400 feet per second, without even considering the vector addition of incoming flow.

Sound travels 1100 feet per second on a standard day, so yes, the tips are supersonic. About 1.3 times the speed of sound.

I need a beer.:)

Tonic Please 2nd Jan 2006 11:25

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Thanks people :) Enjoy your beers.

lomapaseo 2nd Jan 2006 12:02

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 

Originally Posted by barit1
The numbers say:

The state of Arkansas has legislated that pi=3,


That figures, them hicks are trying to go metric down there :}

barit1 2nd Jan 2006 14:43

Re: Q: Turbofan rpm at N1 100% for a CFM56-5B4
 
Nope, it was long before that evil communist plot.

And I found a source postulating it was Indiana, not Arkansas:http://arshermeneutica.org/besieged/...the_Vaue_of_Pi

(WHOOP WHOOP thread creep detected!)


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