Airliners VFR?
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I haven't seen too many 747s doing 2 -mile finals and if we put one of the old BOAC brigade in a VC10 on at less than 10 miles fuses would have blown!!!
And finally Adam, don't confuse IFR with IMC. The former is a set of rules regarding tracks, levels to be flown, instruments to be carried etc. and the latter describes conditions when conditions (flight visibility, distance from cloud etc.) described under VFR can not be met.
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<<just because a 747 may find this a bit tight doesn't mean that everybody else should have to fly with the same constraints.>>
In the absence of traffic, the only reasons for "restraints" are a) local procedures - noise abatement, etc., and b) airline SOPs. In the absence of such, ATC will let you get on with it. I've seen plenty of visual approaches turn on at 2-3 miles at Heathrow although rarely involving large aircraft.
In the absence of traffic, the only reasons for "restraints" are a) local procedures - noise abatement, etc., and b) airline SOPs. In the absence of such, ATC will let you get on with it. I've seen plenty of visual approaches turn on at 2-3 miles at Heathrow although rarely involving large aircraft.
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Thinking back many years to my days in charter airlines, asking for a visual approach was fine, and would save time for all concerned. The crucial bit was not to say "cancelling IFR", because then, being VFR, you were likely to be held outside the airfield boundary while all the IFR traffic was slotted in.
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Im glad I found this thread.
I know that when electign to do a visual approach, the IFR flight plan is still open, and therefore one is not VFR.
However, I cant find a definitive reference for this, can someone help? Furthermore, our ops manual states that when electing to do a visual circuit, the IFR flight plan is cancelled...could someone explain the reasoning of this to me?
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I know that when electign to do a visual approach, the IFR flight plan is still open, and therefore one is not VFR.
However, I cant find a definitive reference for this, can someone help? Furthermore, our ops manual states that when electing to do a visual circuit, the IFR flight plan is cancelled...could someone explain the reasoning of this to me?
Many thanks
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CAP493
Section 3, Chapter 12, Paragraph 12.1
"To expedite traffic at any time, IFR flights, either within or outside controlled airspace,
may be authorised to execute visual approaches"
My emphasis. The point I want to make is that the visual approach is something done by IFR flights, so by definition your flightplan won't be closed.
I can also add that the CAP493 states that controllers must use the phrase "IFR plan cancelled at [time]" when closing an IFR flight plan. So you will notice if it happens. Refrence CAP493, section 1, chapter 2 paragraph 7.2
As for the visual circuit that is outside my scope, I only quote rules
Section 3, Chapter 12, Paragraph 12.1
"To expedite traffic at any time, IFR flights, either within or outside controlled airspace,
may be authorised to execute visual approaches"
My emphasis. The point I want to make is that the visual approach is something done by IFR flights, so by definition your flightplan won't be closed.
I can also add that the CAP493 states that controllers must use the phrase "IFR plan cancelled at [time]" when closing an IFR flight plan. So you will notice if it happens. Refrence CAP493, section 1, chapter 2 paragraph 7.2
As for the visual circuit that is outside my scope, I only quote rules
