Company not giving reference for airport badge
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In my last job, I was flying in the UK for a dodgy airline which I ended up leaving. Many colleagues did the same, and we did not pay our training bond to the company. As it has not fulfilled its side of the T&Cs, the company in question is unable to sue us for the bond money.
Yet the MD is really pissed off at us. He has threatened of bad recommendation, and lately he has not sent the reference letter for the airport badge that one of us was requesting on behalf of his new employer.
That new employer told my colleague he had to sort that airport badge reference problem out, otherwise he would be dismissed.
Not giving that reference, which is solely for security purposes, is probably illegal, but what can be done about it? Anybody? Thanx in advance.
TTF.
In my last job, I was flying in the UK for a dodgy airline which I ended up leaving. Many colleagues did the same, and we did not pay our training bond to the company. As it has not fulfilled its side of the T&Cs, the company in question is unable to sue us for the bond money.
Yet the MD is really pissed off at us. He has threatened of bad recommendation, and lately he has not sent the reference letter for the airport badge that one of us was requesting on behalf of his new employer.
That new employer told my colleague he had to sort that airport badge reference problem out, otherwise he would be dismissed.
Not giving that reference, which is solely for security purposes, is probably illegal, but what can be done about it? Anybody? Thanx in advance.
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To get the security pass at most major UK airports now, you need a 'Disclosure Scotland' statement and a letter from your present employer, confirming you're employed and require the pass. At least it was when I last renewed my pass. I don't understand what the previous employer has to do with it. Am I missing something here?
Your previous employer has to be careful what he says about you but should supply a reference if you ask for it. Only problem for him is, if he writes something about you which isn't true, then you have a hard copy of what he's said. You could always just ring him up/go see him and be nice and polite and ask for the reference nicely?
Your previous employer has to be careful what he says about you but should supply a reference if you ask for it. Only problem for him is, if he writes something about you which isn't true, then you have a hard copy of what he's said. You could always just ring him up/go see him and be nice and polite and ask for the reference nicely?
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Yes: it's in the 5-year background check that the problem arises. Airport security asks a letter from your former employers, and you as an applicant are not involved in the process. No answer = a gap = no pass. Easy.
It doesn't matter if the company says something bad about you, they just need to say you exist and you worked for them for that period of time.
Company has accepted to deliver that security reference in exchange for bond money (19200 £) !!!!!!!
So, anybody has an idea how to tackle this? Had a similar experience before?
It doesn't matter if the company says something bad about you, they just need to say you exist and you worked for them for that period of time.
Company has accepted to deliver that security reference in exchange for bond money (19200 £) !!!!!!!
So, anybody has an idea how to tackle this? Had a similar experience before?
Tax records showing your employment, there is also the option to have your personal referee vouch for the gaps. As for a recalcitrant employer withholding notice of employment, I believe there is no law against this, you can however by use of your personal referee's claim that due to a dispute they are not supplying a reference..along with tax records and/or the referee's letter.
I would also say its worth speaking to the ID centre and explain your situation to them.
If its a BAA airport your airline should have a specific account manger that deals with these issues.
Hope this helps
I would also say its worth speaking to the ID centre and explain your situation to them.
If its a BAA airport your airline should have a specific account manger that deals with these issues.
Hope this helps
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I doubt my colleague has thought of the payslips, which sounds like a great idea to prove he worked there. Will pass on the info. Thanks to both of you.
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I doubt my colleague has thought of the payslips, which sounds like a great idea to prove he worked there. Will pass on the info. Thanks to both of you.
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And of course you had a pass issued when you were working for DodgyAir! The pass issuer, I'm sure could be provoked into forwarding the details they have on you to the new pass issuer.
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If the company has no "right" to the £19K, which you say they dont, then offering to give a ref in exchange for that sum of money could be construed as extortion. I would get your mate to keep very good records of all dealings with the company including recording phone calls if possible then approach a lawyer with a view to going to the police.
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Yep. Use P45s from previous employment to plot your employment history on the forms for the Disclosure Scotland. They have strict guidelines on how and what they can accept for proof of employment. They can only contact certain people on your behalf.
Your previous employer CANNOT stop you obtaining an airside pass for a new employer. The only contact made between the two companies would be to request confirmation that you worked there between the dates you stated.
As for a reference, they CAN refuse to supply you with one. If this happens, explain to your potential new employer that you left of your own free will along with many others as the company was either not operating safely/ facing financial ruin/ 'place your reason here'/ etc.... But be nice about it, and remember it was a well thought out decision not a snap one!!!
If they issue a reference, and it is in anyway untrue or unfair, you could approach the new employer and explain that you feel it was due to bitterness (again be nice about it!).
If they have in any way been derogatory about you, you can make accusations of defamation of character. Most employers know this so will either issue NO reference at all, or they'll give a very basic one stating dates worked, position held, and that work was carried out to a basic standard.
If you know of someone in the company, either a manager or HR person who could write a good reference on company paper, ask them to do so. This way, you have a good reference in your hand which you can hand to a perspective employer in advance. Explain you obtained the reference as you weren't sure if they'd still exist when you needed a reference in the future, and that you left of your own free will but regrettably not on the best terms dur to a unresolvable disagreement...... etc.
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Your previous employer CANNOT stop you obtaining an airside pass for a new employer. The only contact made between the two companies would be to request confirmation that you worked there between the dates you stated.
As for a reference, they CAN refuse to supply you with one. If this happens, explain to your potential new employer that you left of your own free will along with many others as the company was either not operating safely/ facing financial ruin/ 'place your reason here'/ etc.... But be nice about it, and remember it was a well thought out decision not a snap one!!!
If they issue a reference, and it is in anyway untrue or unfair, you could approach the new employer and explain that you feel it was due to bitterness (again be nice about it!).
If they have in any way been derogatory about you, you can make accusations of defamation of character. Most employers know this so will either issue NO reference at all, or they'll give a very basic one stating dates worked, position held, and that work was carried out to a basic standard.
If you know of someone in the company, either a manager or HR person who could write a good reference on company paper, ask them to do so. This way, you have a good reference in your hand which you can hand to a perspective employer in advance. Explain you obtained the reference as you weren't sure if they'd still exist when you needed a reference in the future, and that you left of your own free will but regrettably not on the best terms dur to a unresolvable disagreement...... etc.
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