Military To Civil Experience!
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Military To Civil Experience!
hello there
I'd like to know if anybody noted the way thier airlines recognises
the pilots who had military flying experience prior joining,such as calculating their flying hours toward command requirements . also what is the usual protocol of their command sequence.
thanks
I'd like to know if anybody noted the way thier airlines recognises
the pilots who had military flying experience prior joining,such as calculating their flying hours toward command requirements . also what is the usual protocol of their command sequence.
thanks
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no favours
My headline says it. No favours.
The two "disciplines" are greatly different. Even in transport. In the case of the RAAF B707 & C130, in the case of the RAF L1011-500 Timmies and Tommies, C130, C17.
Nimrod and Orion jump into mind and for sure how pilots interface with the tactical rear crew is immensely valuable experience.
Brother of a friend of mine flew army helos and you do meet fast jet and helo fellow aviators too. But I cannot underline how different management and flight deck attitudes are to anything I have experienced in the services. And probably a lot of heads are nodding. My daughter for one.
There is not a premium on pilots and many civilians young and old go to great lengths to achieve their goals of flying against enormous odds and often at great personal expense. Very commendable unless it ends in disillusion as sadly it has for another friend, barely forty.
I wasn't all that experienced when I left to go civvy. I had multi-engine turboprop experience, but in civvy started on tiddlers right at the bottom, ultra short haul island hopping in tropical weather. Boy!! And worked my way up, making some luck and grabbing the rest. Airlines do not beat a path to the Flight Lieutenant's door anymore.
The Rolling Stones sang "You can't always get what you want", the Chinese say "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it". I say "The second mouse won't get the cheese if the first mouse avoids the trap".
These days to stand your best chance of a good aviation career be in good health, be nowhere near the minima, start early and learn to spell. Okay I made that last one up.
I'll get me coat
Good Luck
The "E"
The two "disciplines" are greatly different. Even in transport. In the case of the RAAF B707 & C130, in the case of the RAF L1011-500 Timmies and Tommies, C130, C17.
Nimrod and Orion jump into mind and for sure how pilots interface with the tactical rear crew is immensely valuable experience.
Brother of a friend of mine flew army helos and you do meet fast jet and helo fellow aviators too. But I cannot underline how different management and flight deck attitudes are to anything I have experienced in the services. And probably a lot of heads are nodding. My daughter for one.
There is not a premium on pilots and many civilians young and old go to great lengths to achieve their goals of flying against enormous odds and often at great personal expense. Very commendable unless it ends in disillusion as sadly it has for another friend, barely forty.
I wasn't all that experienced when I left to go civvy. I had multi-engine turboprop experience, but in civvy started on tiddlers right at the bottom, ultra short haul island hopping in tropical weather. Boy!! And worked my way up, making some luck and grabbing the rest. Airlines do not beat a path to the Flight Lieutenant's door anymore.
The Rolling Stones sang "You can't always get what you want", the Chinese say "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it". I say "The second mouse won't get the cheese if the first mouse avoids the trap".
These days to stand your best chance of a good aviation career be in good health, be nowhere near the minima, start early and learn to spell. Okay I made that last one up.
I'll get me coat
Good Luck
The "E"
Spot on "E"
Muncen, repeat after me: 'Date of Joining, Date of Joining, Date of Joining"
Many moons ago, when I was in the process of exiting the military stage left, a commercial pilot friend of mine mentioned to me that "young man, everything is driven by your date of joining, and I mean everything" ...never was a truer phrase spoken.
Military hours may well help with the licence, may get you onto a "heavy" type when you join a Company ( ZFT and all that) ahead of a low hours newbie but thats it.
In most if not all "normal" airlines you won't jump over less experienced guys in terms of Command, or bidding for work time, or getting time off at Xmas, or even when trying to get that last seat on an aircraft when using staff travel.
As E said, the real key is join early - and don't bore the pants off the guys/girls with the "when I was on ------- stories," leave that to the Trident Guys ( I can't believe it, I just used the T word, soorriiee.)
Good luck
Muncen, repeat after me: 'Date of Joining, Date of Joining, Date of Joining"
Many moons ago, when I was in the process of exiting the military stage left, a commercial pilot friend of mine mentioned to me that "young man, everything is driven by your date of joining, and I mean everything" ...never was a truer phrase spoken.
Military hours may well help with the licence, may get you onto a "heavy" type when you join a Company ( ZFT and all that) ahead of a low hours newbie but thats it.
In most if not all "normal" airlines you won't jump over less experienced guys in terms of Command, or bidding for work time, or getting time off at Xmas, or even when trying to get that last seat on an aircraft when using staff travel.
As E said, the real key is join early - and don't bore the pants off the guys/girls with the "when I was on ------- stories," leave that to the Trident Guys ( I can't believe it, I just used the T word, soorriiee.)
Good luck
