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G-NADS 7th April 2001 15:43

Could a PPL be put down as a 'Professional Qualification'?
 
yes/no?

Pielander 7th April 2001 16:45

no

G-LOST 7th April 2001 18:05

Afraid not. To consider a PPL to be a professional qualification would insult those of us who have worked so hard to gain our CPL or ATPLs.

G-NADS 7th April 2001 19:27

Insult??????? pffffff! - thats not a reason

Tosh McCaber 7th April 2001 19:43

I cannot think of any reasons for a PPL being classified a "Professional Qualification"- can you,G-NADS? For instance, would you class your car driver's licence a professional qualification? I hardly think so.

Same difference.

rolling circle 7th April 2001 19:45

A PPL is a recreational licence, it does not permit you to accept remuneration for any flying you do and cannot, therefore, be considered to be a professional qualification.

A BCPL, CPL or ATPL is a professinal qualification as it does allow remuneration. Licences are referred to generically as 'Private' (PPL and, eventually, NPPL) and 'Professional' (BCPL, CPL, ATPL)

Autofly 7th April 2001 19:46

All aspeacts of the avaition industry is proffesional. I wouldn't like to think i share the skies with amateurs on a sunday afternoon, however in comparision, there is no way you can quote your PPL at a proffesional qualification.

AF

G-NADS 7th April 2001 20:14

Thank you,

It's just that I'm applying for a position with an IT firm and the application form asks for "any professional qualifications" so I thought I might be able to get away with writing down that I have a PPL - they wouldn't know ;)

GPS Approach 7th April 2001 20:58

G-NADS,

I'd stick it down on the form if I were you, in my opinion a PPL certainly ranks as a lot harder qualification to gain, than a lot of the other so called professional qualifications e.g Degree in the study of David Beckham and such other nonsense!!!

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Genghis the Engineer 7th April 2001 22:06

Depends upon the context.

My business card (well one of them) says "Aerospace Consultant", in which context anything related to aerospace (cost of PPL rating, attendance at a CAA Seminar, subscription to Flyer) I consider valuable to my profession, and therefore goes on my tax return against earnings. My PPLs also appear on my CV, alongside many other things, some considerably less mainstream than that.

On the other hand, it doesn't qualify you to earn a living flying, unlike say a CPL or my CEng, so from that viewpoint it isn't. However, you could make a fair argument that it is, if it is being used as a stepping stone to a commercial license.

It's a bit like the justification for house prices - Location, Location, Location.

G

Noggin 7th April 2001 22:39

A licence is a Permit and cannot be regarded as a qualification, professional or otherwise. In that respect a PPL is no different from a CPL or a ATPL, none of them are qualifications.

212man 7th April 2001 23:58

I assume that last remark is a wind up; my dictionary (can't be bothered to repeat it verbatim) makes no real distinction of any note. Is there some legal document (is that an accepted term) that defines a qualification as being academic only, and preferably in a classical subject from a non-redbrick or ex-polytechnic university?

Having said that, I'd disagree that a PPL should be included as a professional (one 'f') qualification as by definition it is for private use only. I would have thought that suitable reference to holding a Private Pilot's Licence on an application form would be impressive enough to most non-aviation companies and a good talking point at interview.

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Another day in paradise

Pielander 8th April 2001 00:17

Noggin

I quite agree that a private pilot's license, by definition, is not a professional qualification, but doesn't that which qualifies someone to do something, professionally or otherwise, count as a qualification? If not, then what does?

Pie

Snapper_head 8th April 2001 19:31

On an application form for a non flying job sure put it down everyone tells stories on those forms it might help or it may do nothing so give it a go.
But in my opinion it would not be considered a professional qualification.


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gear up... oh fu@k!

trolleydollylover 8th April 2001 21:24

Put it down on your CV, but I wouldn't stick it down as a professional qual. It is a good talking point in an interview, especially if you are a well rounded individual, not a spod, but just keep the bull at a believable level otherwise you might make a prat of yourself, remember everybody lies at an interview, look at the Duchess of Wessex,the Guilford 4 and Kieth Vaz.

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Whoa there bigfella, whoa!

Wee Weasley Welshman 8th April 2001 21:30

In the context in question I would put it down.

WWW

Tor 8th April 2001 21:49

G-NADS

Surely you should put it on the application form. You're not required to have a CPL to do business flying so the company could have use of your PPL.

Noggin 9th April 2001 02:44

A Licence is issued to a person on the basis of meeting certain requirements or qualifications, the licence itself is not a qualification.

Pielander 9th April 2001 02:54

Noggin

I see where you're coming from now, hence, the old NVQ in "piloting a transport aircraft" was a qualification, but the license it is associated with is not. Yet another reason to bring back NVQ tax relief (as if one were needed!)

Pie

GJB 9th April 2001 12:56

By all means, tell them you have a PPL - it sounds far more interesting than
'enjoys DIY / gardening / shopping / socialising.'

However, I think it is for the hobbies and interests section.


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