Have Malgus Refunded?
 

Have any of you had refunds from Malgus? I got one last night.

Thanks very much to all of you who have just ruined our chances of a free ATPL, hope you feel good about yourselves.

Maybe you should be grateful for the expressions of disbelief raised against this scheme, rather than assume that YOU would have been the ONE to be selected - out of 470!

Really?! Thats a little sudden, I would not have thought enough time had elapsed between the advert yet for them to decide to can the idea.

I'll try and contact them to find out.

EnglishPilot - I can understand your dissapointment but please don't whine at others for taking their time to give their advice.

WWW

Right that`s it then....Now how about Hamrah`s idea of we all contribute £20 and the Prune fund would then be able to sort some sponsorships out.

WWW - like you, I find the apparent fact that Malgus are refunding even before carrying out phase one of their test programme has demonstrated that their plan was indeed fatally flawed from the start - and to do so at this juncture is remarkably reminiscent of Flying Start who as I understand it blamed 'illness' for the termination of their plans.

EnglishPilot - I admire your self confidence in that you feel that you are apparently 469 times better than the average pilot. With that level of confidence, might I suggest that you invest the £147 in lottery tickets? With luck, you may well will sufficient to pay for an ATPL course!

Of course, you do appreciate that even if you had been selected as the trainee, your course would have been funded through the sweat and toil of 469 people who might not have been able to afford it?

Delta Wun Wun, I believe that would equate to the cost of one full sponsorship ;)

Another 'Flying Start' style bluff? Man, these are interesting times.

Superpilot,
If you read the other thread regarding Malgus,Hamrah stated that if one third of the registered prune members contributed £20/year then prune could run 6 sponsored places a year.

Apologies, I didn't read Hamrahs earlier comments but “one third of the registered PPrune members” is a bit misleading. The total registered usernames by Ronchonner alone amasses around 10,000 :D + add to that the one post wonders. Not 6 but certainly a few.

Errrrrrr! Just a minute. I would be very happy to see one third of PPRuNer's put in £20 but that is just dreamin'. It wouldn't happen.

The fund stands at around £4600 at the minute and that has taken a long time to accumulate, and I am here to tell you that I have worked hard to get even small amounts of money in, let alone 10,000 people putting £20 each. They would run a mile! Even further. Especially in today's circumstances.

It would pay for sponsorships but that's where the similarity ends I am afraid.

However, who knows? I am still working at it and I will get more cash coming in - eventually. I still have 470 TSR2 prints, and even badges are not selling as they did.

But rest assured I will not give up.

I raised this point as an example of what was possible. If 10,000 registered PPRuNe Members contributed £20 each, we would have £200,000 for sponsorships.

Now, no one seems to believe that this is possible, but give more credibility to a scheme requiring nearly 500 people to contribute £147 for 1 sponsorship.

Well, I say we are in a better position to do this than any other organisation. If we just raised enough for 1 sponsorship to start with, it would surely trigger contributions for more.

£20

Doesn't seem like much in the grand order of things.

H

[ 21 October 2001: Message edited by: Hamrah ]

...lets think it one stage further.

A course in Jerez costs £47,000. So why not 1000 PPRuNeRs contribute £47 each. No profit. Straight in and out.

H

H, I am with you all the way. I think it is a great idea and something that is constantly on my mind, a frustrated mind at times, but I do believe in this and want it to happen. You and I have a fervent belief in putting something back, I am just not sure others do.

It's just that finding 1000 people to put in £47 is difficult. But............as you say...................If you and I put in £47 each that leaves 998 to go - anybody?

Wouldn't it be great if we could get just one person through?

Mail on it's way H.

I would too - if I thought it would do anything other than launch another FATPL onto the dole queue, in the current hiring situation.

Why doesn't someone run a scheme to give 737 ratings to the several hundred unemployed FATPL holders that already exist, or are going to come into existence in the next few months?

It's a nice idea, in a perfect world. I am in the majority and would be extremely hesistant about dishing out some money all be it not a lot, to a complete stranger.
I am interested to know though how you would select the individual etc. The weight of resposibilty on the persons shoulders would be an awful burden, no?
And what about people in the system struggling already? Couldn't cash be swerved towards them? i know plenty of fine aspiring commercial pilots on the brink of finnacial destruction because they pursued proffesional aviation as a career, young and old. Besides you will defintely need more than £47'000 per student.

Although being the inaugral PPRUNE sponsered cadet would be the nuts on your CV!

Luke Sky Toddler

Watch this spoace.

H

Hamrah, IFR, et al, please go for the donations route! GBP20 (US $30)is an insignificant amount to most individuals (even flight engineers - only joking!!!), but, the combined fund could make a very significant change to a few guys' lives. Yes, selection of worthy candidates, etc, would not be easy, but solutions can be found to most problems. Would UK Charity rules apply, etc?? :) :) :)
(Edited for spelling)

[ 21 October 2001: Message edited by: HalesAndPace ]

H&P, no decisions have been made yet. It will take time, but there must be much more cash in the fund for it to be effective. There are a few ideas in the pot at the moment, but that is the main requirement.

Charity status is quite complex, but with more cash and the means to show that it is regular 'income' I have someone who will help us achieve it.

I am still very dubious that we would get 1000 willing contributors, I have only had three in the past year!

However, when I have finalised a round of ideas with PPRuNe colleagues I will be better placed to say more.

Like I said, I haven't worked this hard to allow it to fall or founder, and it will ultimately be used for the assistance of wannabes, with no risks.

IFR, you can rely upon my donation when your plan becomes active, however, I still do believe that the way forward is to obtain a replacement for the old NVQ. The NVQ was knocked on the head because it was abused and it was allowed to be abused by the ridiculous rules which enabled fun pilots to obtain money fromthe taxpayer in order to pay for their hobby. There are plenty of people on this forum who are competent to act as an interview panel in order to sort out genuine potential professional pilots from fun pilots. What is needed is a restoration of the NVQ but in hthe hands of competent people to filter out the abusers of the subsidies! Now I just know that you need a project to save you from boredom :D :D

Hamrah and IFR,

You have my total support for the idea!

997 to go! :)

TheNavigator

Watching with baited breath H :)

Hey why don't we really go for broke and set up the PPRuNe Academy! Put a few people a year through, at cost rates, instead of one at an extortionate mark up ... pick up a Warrior, a Seneca on the cheap, a whole pile of donations from the Wannabe fraternity, a bit of goodwill from the senior PPRuNers such as is already being shown by your good selves, we could be onto a real winner. I hereby nominate myself CFI forthwith :D