CFI rating-M1 visa
 

anybody know of any schools that allow students on a M1 visa to work as a flight instructor and actually get paid at same time (and yes,I know that its not allowed with this visa but just wondering anyway)
gazman21

No and I don't think must people would do so and if they did there is no way their about to admit it here! If your going to do it you can do it on a J1 Visa (student/exchange visa) If you get caught working on an M1 Visa without the proper privileges as well you are liable to refused entry to the US in the future as well.

USA VISA (if Employed?)
 

Hi All,

Trawling through the various Visa threads has given me a good starting point, however, the question I have is this:

Is there anything else you have to do/attain if your employer is sending you to the USA for training as opposed to training privately. Bearing in mind that I will be in the emloyment of a Brit firm and being paid to do the training by them . Does this make a difference?

Or will the M1 visa suffice?

Looking at doing a JAA Type rating (less than 12,500lbs) at Flightsafety.

Cheers

L'

Would help if we know what airplane you'll be training on.
With this scarce info I would say an M1 is enough.
Did you check ;
www.flightschoolcandidates.gov


TSA website.

Hi B2N2,

The aircraft will be a Sikorsky S76C.

I currently hold a JAA/CAA CPL(H) IR and am looking to add the S76C type rating that will required by my new employer. The employer is paying for the training.

Cheers

L'

Congrat's on the Sikorsky !
Please don't rely on me as I'm not a total VISA buff but an M1 should do fine.
Check the FAQ page on the above mentioned website..:ok:

Good for you on the S-76. Your Employer and Flight Safety will make sure all the paper work is in order. Flight Safety dose this stuff all the time. Why don't you just contact Palm Beach and ask if its keeping you up at night.

US Visa re-issue
 

I'm not entirley sure if anyone can help me with this question, but while I'm at work, I thought I'd give Pprune a shot first!

I was due to begin a course of study in the US last July, but due to illness, I had to cancel it at the last moment. Now, having made a full recovery, I am thinking of shipping myself out there again, to the same school. However, I might be doing a different or the same course, I have not decided yet.

Will I need to go through the TSA approval once again???
Will I need a new visa issued, or will the unused one I currently have suffice???

I don't know how these official visa things work, but I am very concious of their cost!!!!!!

Thanks in advance!

Visa
 

I called to the embassy in dublin today to get some info about a visa, i had to talk to some chap through a speaker thing and i couldnt hear a word he was sayin! So hopefully someone here can help me....

Basically im headin off to naples next year for the CPP and was wondering how long before should i start organising my visa? What is involved in it, costs, do i need to book a return flight...etc...
Cheers
Danny

ASAP
 

Definitely suggest that you complete the process as soon as possible to avoid any delays and to feel comfortable with knowing all the t's crossed etc.

Transfering M1 visa. . .
 

Hi does anybody know the lowdown on transferring a M1 visa from one flight school to another? I have heard rumours that it cant be done if you have spent 6 months+ at the school where you had your M1 initally issued for. . . .Anybody with info about transferring please fill me in!

Thanks in advance

gazman21

It can be done immediately - and takes 30 seconds.

Tell the school that issues your visa that you wish to transfer.

They DO NOT have the right to terminate your visa if you tell them you want to transfer to a competitor (if they threaten to do so then YOU must call the SEVIS helpline [google!!] and tell "Immigration" what the school said or did).

The visa issuing people at the school you wish to leave need only to enter your file on the SEVIS website and click on "transfer out".

The school you want to go to should click on their records and click "transfer in".

Job done.

Hey Keygrip,
I sent you a PM about the 6 month limit on transferring the M1 visa.Any info about that,can it be done if I have been here for longer than 6 months?

gazman21

ICAO to FAA ATP - TSA & Visa
 

I started a thread titled ICAO to FAA ATP - TSA & Visa on the North American forum but am not getting much joy, so far. I am now wondering if it also applies to this forum, so here goes.

In summary, I am a British Citizen, and wish to go to the USA to get an FAA ATP ... I already have an ICAO ATPL. I am fully aware of the aviation requirements but am getting very conflicting information regarding TSA & Visa requirements.

If anyone has actually DONE it (thanks to everyone else but I have searched the web extensively, spoken to schools, the embassy etc), I would really appreciate hearing from you. The thread is at http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=198754

J1 Visa(USA) and Part.61
 

Hy,

I have seen that most of the Professional Programs( from 0 to CFI) at US flight schools are under Part 141.
Does somebody know if it is possible to get this sort of training also under Part.61, or does it have to be a 141 approved course.
Appreciate any information.

regards,
sub

61/141
 

As far as I remember, Part 61 is the FAA version of the JAA Modular and 141 is Integrated. You can achieve 0 to CFI via either route. I am sure that any American flight school can give you all the information you need.

I think that the school needs to be 141 approved in order to be able to sponsor any type of training visa.

If you attend a part 141 approved school you have the choice of training under either part 61 or 141.

Re: ICAO to FAA ATP - TSA & Visa
 

Apologies for bringing this to the top again, but I am no further in getting an answer and I now need to get cracking on this. I am hoping that a non-USA national may have been to the USA to get an ATP (or perhaps a Com) since my last post. If anyone can help, it would be very much appreciated.

Visa for FAA Type Rating?
 

As I'm aware of the TSA Requirement,
can anyone hint whether you need an M1 Visa to enter the states for a type rating since the TRTO that I'm in contact with state all students come over on a visa waiver as training is less than 90days.
Since you already have the licence and everything is simulator based, is this perfectly legal?

Thanks

Speedbird744

For any training in the US you must go through the TSA on line application. In answer to your question NO you do not need a visa AS long as you have a return ticket booked with your arrival date and departure date as indicated on your on line TSA.

Your training provider has the latest updated information and so as long as your training is less than 90 days your ok. So yes it is fine and dandy.

Have fun

Mr W

i was in the states the end of last year for 3 weeks flying training and had to get a visa, i was told all for all flying training you have to have a visa but if you are hour building you can use the visa waiver if less than 90 days!

I've been refused entry to the States before, because I didn't bother getting the visa for the flying course, evnethough I wasn't going to stay more than 90 days. And the funny thing is, that the Flight school actually told me that the visa waiwer would be enough!

Mcgoo and Kerrinator,

A Type Rating does not involve flying training, it involves simulators. It's very hard to crash a simulator into a building and actually kill any real people so the rules are less strict than what you went through.

Nimbus 5
To my understanding, a type rating involves TRAINING. And a visa waiver is not supposed to be used for any full time course. I think youre not even allowed to enter the US with the waiver, if the sole purpose of your visit is to do a course (flying or no flying)! And by the way its actually got, nothing to do with the 9/11 incident! ok-

Type ratings can be done on the wavier.

LPC/OPC checks can be done on a wavier in the sim as well.

You fill out a web page.

Get a log in

Fill out everything thats required pay your money.

They send you an email a couple of days later telling you what you need to redo.

You then have to get your finger prints taken before starting training in the sim. This can be done in the UK or by the local plod once you get there.

It is completly different for proffesional pilots sponsered by a company to do a type rating compared to going to do a PPL or MEP.

MJ

The rules are that anything that leads to a certification needs a visa. I would say therefore that getting a licience or a rating falls within the scope of needing a visa. That therefore means that the training towards the rating has to be done at an immigration approved school.
I suspect the advice given came from a non immigration approved school as they tend to not know anything about visas.
If they are an immigration approved provider PM me with their name so as I can apply to do something with them.:hmm:

keep your smart arse comments to yourself, if you look into the regulations you will see the visa requirements are nothing to do with the ability to destroy buildings or kill people!

You are slightly wrong, take the time to educate yourself and read the preamble on changes to training under a visa waiver that happened a couple of years ago, you will see they are a direct result of 9/11 ! You can search on pprune and find the info you need.

As I understood it any time of full time training, I think the number is > 18hr per week for anything, let it be a english course, or a flying course. Hence you can hour build in the USA, but little else without a student visa.

The large type rating school I went to put all students on a visa for their training when they were from overseas.

Speedbird744

Listen to your training provider. Lots of crew go for sim work from all over europe on a regular baisis. There is some electronic paper work to do but its no great hassel. The immigration folk in the major hubs know all about it as well. When you go through just show them the conformation email with your registration number on it and confirmed training period and it is all fine.

MJ

J-1 visa eligibility with previous training?
 

I heard different stories about the matter.

Some say you can't get a J-1 with more a PPL and 50hrs TOTAL TIME, while others say you can't get it with more than 50hrs experience AFTER gaining your PPL.

What is the actual requirement? Any first-hand experiences?

Realistically it appears to be more down to how much money you are going to spend at the J1 provider school before you want to work.

Ive heard of places taken jaa fATPL's and giving them a J1 if they do a full FAA course.

:ok:

razzele

Visa for USA
 

Apologies in advance for yet another question:

After the ATPL theory I plan on going to Florida to hour build and afterwards continue training for the CPL and ME in the USA (most probably EFT). The dilemma I have is that I don't think the M1 visa required for flight training (which as far as I understand it the flight school acts as a guarantor for) will not cover me for hour building.

I have had suggestions to enter the country on a tourist visa to build hours and subsequently change it to a M1, so any suggestions you may have will be helpful. Once again, thanks!

you are not required to have a visa for hour building, this can be done under the visa waiver scheme but you will require a visa for flight training

You would be able to enter the country on a visa waiver for the hour building but if you want to do some training as well then you would need to leave the country to complete the M1 visa (in whichever country appropriate) or so I have been told. Don't think it is as easy as just 'changing' it whilst you are over there.

I would ring up the US Embassy in your country and ask them directly because you don't want to fork out double on atlantic flights that you didn't need just because you didn't get a visa before arriving. It isn't that much hassle getting the visa, just a lot of waiting around unfortunately. oh and a wee bit of money, lest we forget...:oh:

Two options;

1. You ask the school to have the I20 (visa application form) include the dates of hour building, which is not really necessary.

2.On a M1 visa you can enter the country up to 30 days before the start date of your course as stated on the visa.Use this time for your hour building.
Reason being that M1 is a student visa and it allows you time to enter the country, find accomodation,get your study materials, get familiar with your school etc etc before the course actually starts.

*****I am not a visa specialist, so one call to the embassy will clarify this.****

Thanks for the help so far. What concerns me is the fact that the flight school has to vouch for you so you cán get the visa, so I expect them to be quite reluctant to sign you off for a period that you won't be spending with them. Alternatively, I think a call to the embassy might be the best option.

Anyone know if there is any way of extending a J1 visa ?? or getting another one?

If you want to do your time building somewhere else (which you did not mention in your first post) then option 1 does not apply.
Coming into the country ( up to 30 days ahead) does not really put you under their resposibility yet, you are allowed to do so.
You will be on their visa but it has not come into play yet.
30 days should allow you plenty of time building.

You definatley don't need an M1 to hour build. But you will require an FAA Temporary Airmans certificate to fly N reg aircraft. You will need to pay the CAA £38 to verify your JAA/CAA licence to the FAA. You then need to apply to the FAA for a certificate based on a foriegn licence and then go to the FSDO of your choice (in the US) and pick the certificate up.

Gary.

Again a complete load of rubbish from this bul!!!!ter who has been exposed in other posts as having absolutely no experience of commercial flying whatsoever.

Scroggs, isnt it about time this guy was banned?