Okay, i've got that bit now, but what about people who have never held a UK CPL i.e. people who missed out on the BCPL deadline and as such did a JAR CPL course and so come out with only a JAR CPL (Restricted), having passed the ATPL exams. Do they lose their credits?

Over here in Iceland I will lose my frozen CAA ATPL if I convert to the JAA CPL. The reason being that you can not hold a JAA CPL (new system) and a CAA ATPL (old system) says the local CAA.

THTF - If you hold only a JAR-FCL CPL (Restricted), you will have to pass the JAA ATPL theoretical knowledge examinations to qualify for the issue of a JAR ATPL.

Extract from AIC 47/2000 - 'Arrangement to issue a JAR-FCL CPL (A) Restricted to use in UK registered Aeroplanes'

1st June 2000

Pilots who have passed the UK ATPL (A) examinations and who hold a JAR CPL (A) (R) with Instrument Rating and a valid type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane will be required to meet the following requirements for the issue of a JAR-FCL ATPL (A):

Achieve 1500 hours as pilot of aeroplanes including: (goes on to list the hours requirements.

12.5 (Case 5) encompasses people who have never held a UK professional licence.

That's it - there is no mention of having to pass the JAR ATPL written exams. Don't the AIC's overide JAR-FCL?

Thanks for that THTF - was looking for that on another thread. Didn't spot the little devil at the top of the tiny AIC list.

Ta

I'm not saying that the information that I've got is the full picture, as noggin and rolling circle are usual right about these things. So could either of you two clarify why my reading of the AIC doesn't agree with what you've said?

GID 36 says that UK ATPL knowledge will be accepted to endorse the first multi-pilot type rating to a JAR CPL/IR so this is how it appears to me:

Holder of a JAR-CPL/IR (R) - remove the restriction by achieving 700 hours hours. You can then use your UK ATPL exam credits to get your first multi-pilot type rating, achieve the 500 hours multi-crew (total 1500) and be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL, as detailed in AIC 47/2000.

Rolling Circle? Noggin? Where's Watford been recently anyway?

THTF.I missed the d/line for the BCPL,i have UK NATIONAL ATPL CREDITS.I did the JAR/CPL course,and in my hand i hold the said licence.Quoting from the page relating to privalages.
11.TYPE OF LICENCE,DATE OF ISSUE,COUNTRY CODE
CPL[A] 07/03/2001 UK
1X.VALIDITY.THIS LICENCE IS TO BE RE-ISSUED NOT LATER THAN 06/03/2006.

THE PRIVALAGES OF THE LICENCE SHALL BE EXERCISED ONLY IF THE HOLDER HAS A VALID MEDICAL FOR THE REQUIRED PRIVALAGE.

BY APPLICATION OF JAR-FCL 1.015[a]1,THE LICENCE HOLDER IS ENTITLED TO EXERCISE THE PRIVALAGES ON AIRCRAFT REGISTERED IN ANY MEMBER STATE OF THE JIONT AVIATION AUTHORITIES.A DOCUMENT CONTAINING A PHOTO SHALL BE CARRIED FOR THE PURPOSES OF IDENTIFICATION OF THE LICENCE HOLDER.

X11.RT PRIVALAGES.
FRTO LICENCE HELD.

X11.REMARKS
NO ENTRIES.
THIS IS WHERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ARE PLACED ON THE LICENCE.AS U CAN SEE ITS NOT A RESTRICTED LICENCE,BUT A FULL JAR/CPL/A ENTITLING THE HOLDER TO FLY IN ANY JAR COUNTRY.
Its the CAA CPL that is now being restricted.I looked at my friends CAA/CPL/A/,
IR.It bears the following restrictions.
RESTRICTED TO UK REGISTERED AIRCRAFT ONLY.
Now that is a restricted licence.
No i wont lose my UK ATPL CREDITS,but must add an I/R within 3yrs of the date of my last pass in my ATPLs,otherwise i will.Once ive done this my ATPL credits remain valid as long as the IR is valid.I then have to achieve 500hrs multi crew blah blah,to get the ATPL issued.
I have yet to see a JAR/CPL/[R] licence.
ANY ONE GOT ONE ?

hi !

So I guess everybody in the UK can ask for a JAR licence now with no risk to lose UK ATPL theory credits ! this sounds good to me !

We had so many rumours about this that nobody could say who was right and who was not !

Hope this is the definitive version !!