If you are a holder of a CPL/IR (FATPL), it should be within your ability to go on to do a FI(A) rating. You would have passed the ATPL exams so your knowledge should be sufficient, you have passed the CPL and IR skill tests so your flying skills will be very good. What the course is mostly about is the fundamentals of teaching as well as sharpening up your flying skills.

Pre-entry requirements:
(a) Completed at least 200 hours of flight time of which not less than 100 hours shall be pilot-in-command(PIC) if holding a ATPL(A) or CPL(A), or if holding a PPL(A), 150 hours(PIC);
(b) met the knowedge requirements for a CPL(A) as set out in AMC FCL 1.470(b);
(c)completed at least 30 hours on single-engine piston powered aeroplanes of which at least five hours shall have been completed during the six months preceding the pre-entry flight test set out at (f) below;
(d)recieved at least 10 hours instrument flight instruction of which not more than five hours may be instrument ground time in a flight simulator or FNPT2;
(e)completed at least 20 hours of cross-countery flight as PIC; and
(f) Passed a specific pre-entry flight test with an FI qualified instructor in accordance with JAR-FCL for this purpose, based upon the proficiency check as set out in Appendix 3 to JAR-FCL 1,240 within the six months preceding the start of the course. The flight test will assess the ability of the applicant to undertake the course.

Well that's from the horses mouth.
After you finish the course, you realise that there was a lot you didn't know. That was my experience anyway. As I have learnt a great deal from the FI(A) course, I can only recommend it highly. It helps when you have an excellant instructor as I did, such as Peter Godwin. Out of pure information he is the geezer who is involved with the Trevor Thom books.
Anyway enough waffffle..........

TipTop,

Where does Peter Godwin instruct? Thanks for all the low down and details!

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Peter Godwin is the Chief Pilot/Director of Bonus Aviation in Cranfield, Bedfordshire. They live next door to Cabair.
if you are interested, here phone number is 01234 751800 and you can ask to speak with Jo.
If you are thinking about instructor courses, might be an idea to speak with EFT in Ft. Pierce, Florida. I know that the instructors there are entitled to now run FI(A) courses.
http://www.europeanflighttraining.com

Anyway, glad I can be of help.

Sorry, TipTop, you're jumping the gun. EFT are not yet approved to do anything. Their initial inspection is, I understand from Ben, due on 26 March. Approvals (hopefully) to follow.

I would, as always, advise against booking courses until the approval has been issued - many have been ripped off in the past!

You're right rolling circle they are not yet approved, I know this too. I should have phrased it more precisely.

TipTop.......

Dear all,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but have you all investigated Multiflight enough.

Last year i decided to look into their nothing to ATPL course and visited their U.S training establishment i was very imprest and found out thay they are only a training partner of Multiflight.
I came over to the U.K in early Jan2001 to start the JAR exams and dropped by at Multiflight Leeds , i spoke to both students and staff and found out a very different story to that told in their nice glossy brochure,first off i had a chat with a few students and i found out that some of the commercial students had started in May 2000 and had yet to do the CPL skill test in Jan2001,IR students said that they were fed up with the lack of continuity and that the aircraft always seemed to be off line for one reason or another,also they complianed that flying for the IR never takes place on a weekend.Some told me to find out how many hidden charges there would be for landings and approaches(as they can be quite considerable). I then to my total disblief spoke to the commercial instructor and he told me to go else where as in his view Multiflight just could not deliver and whats more they were not that bothered once they had got your money, he also added that he constantly lived in fear of getting the sack. I recently found out that they had landed one of their servicable aircraft gear up and that it would be a while before it came back on line.
SO, if i were you i would take a trip up north to Multiflight and have a QUIET word with some of their students(there probably the one's that i spoke to)and find out what they think, the best question to ask is :if you had your time again would you come here.Like me you will probably be told to try somewhere else.
I think like me you be very suprised.
Sorry once again,but if you are paying out such an amount you need to be comfortable in the fact that you are training at the right place.

Well what a hot debate !!

I spoke to the MultiFlight guys yesterday who seemed very open and honest (Inc costs and options for Modular) - they were quite happy for me to talk to a number of their current and ex-students (which I plan to do). Living quite close to LBA I can pop over and get the true lie of the land.

It strikes me that any FTO is going to have students who think they're Dogs whot'sits and others that don't - I wonder if the capability of the student is a factor.

Anyway I'll post some more stuff having been & seen....

Pilch,

Looking forward (as I am sure others are) to your reply and update on this matter..

Thanks

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jakej - what can I say.....

I am currently doing the first stage of my traning with Multiflight's partner FIT here in Florida and have no complaints at all.

I too have been down to Leeds / Bradford and had a look around and not seen any of these problems that you have.Call me sceptical but I do find it suspicious that you have been slagging of Multiflight and that you've just registered.Something doesn't seem to ring true. However I could be wrong.

Pilch - I'm waiting with baited breath to see what you think after talking to some of the students at Multiflight. Especially as the next stage of my training will be back at Leeds/Bradford (hopefully), thankfully I have not yet stumped up my readies.


Yours waiting eagerly

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I too will be very interested to hear the comments from Multiflighters that are brought back to this thread. Having met the Multiflight team over the weekend I am beginning to describe a path for my modular training. Although Multiflight are still very much in the equation for the CPL/IR, if their particular problems are in this area then I have my concerns. None more so because in real terms, apart from the MCC, it is the only item as a facility they supply!

I share some of the mild cynicism in the thread BUT remember one thing: It is your money so complete and detailed research is prudent before you part with it. £30,000 is a lot to spend on a product that doesn't guarantee a level of service delivery.

E-Fizz

As I'm part of the way through I training across here in Florida I too have my concerns an will be following this closely.

As the training with Multiflight is spilit into two seperate parts.

1. PPL+150 hrs +ATPL exams

2. CPL/IR

I can recommend at least doing the first part with them, that is if you have too. I am half way through this and it is a very good operation here with Florida Inst of Tech. You don't stump up the whole £30,000 , I have paid half so have yet to pay for the CPL/IR and don't have to continue with them if im not happy.

I hear you EGDR, you're right we don't have to stump up all of the money in one go. I have read and heard comment from the schools offering discounts if you do though - I can't say if this is the case for Multiflight but once again; buyers beware!




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Even if it was a couple of grand discount , you'd have to be mad to even consider stumping up the best part of £30,000.

Dont't trust anyone..............