It seems like it was a temporary solution, and traditionally core phase training has taken place in phoenix, but I’m not aware of what CAE’s plan is for Malaga after the current classes there have finished training.

When you sign your contract you agree you can be sent to any fair weather training base so it’s not outside the realms of possibility that future classes will be sent there.

Just completed the MPL programme, the majority of the comments and posts on here are accurate. Unfortunately biggest delays occur in and around the 'core' flight phase. The delays can occur either after finishing ground school when you are waiting to go out, or in the fair weather flying location itself. I am not as au-fait with the operation in AGP as I was sent to PHX. I will say that once you start the sim phase the programme works very well, with minimal delays and good instructors in LGW. The MPL prepares you very well for your induction into EZY. I realise there is no perfect programme and it depends on personal preferences, what airline you want to work for and what risks you are willing to take. I would do the programme again, but in hindsight not be as impatient during it. It took about 28 months from the start of training to employment with EZY. Any further messages, feel free to DM.

Thanks for the information, what is the situation in PHX when you did your core phase? What is the typical issues and duration of the core phase? We've heard a lot about Malaga/Granada but not much about PHX.

For us, there was a lack of instructors so they sent us back home. Once we came back to PHX after they had trained more instructors it ran quite smoothly. I think PHX is running okay at the moment? The classes ahead seem to have done well. But not sure on the current status.

Thanks James, again really useful information.

Hi James, what is the proportion of real flying hours and simulator hours from the total 100 hours during the core training phase? Thanks

Hi jems, i have a few questions to ask you, are you able to message me as it dont let me, thank you

Any one willing to share the Training Literature or manuals with me? I'd love to read the aircraft and aviation stuff they are offering to train you all. Not able to be an MPL or train in Europe. But getting information and manuals in the US is nil to none since we do not offer that license alternative.

Hi all,
I'm looking for some up to date information about the MPL. If anyone with recent experience or knowledge could chip in and give us the current situation it would be much appreciated.
Cheers!

Im on the MPL program, currently in PHNX - if anyone has any questions please bullet point them i'd be happy to help.

Hi Pilotezy, how has your experience with CAE been so far?

And regarding the accomodation in PHNX, how much does it cost per month?

Hey James,
I understand that you can only comment on your experience, but I have a few questions,
1- CAE used to be considered one of the top places to go get your licenses. You mentioned it was around 28ish to employment. What do you think dragged the course out that long. Groupo one air thinks they could it in 18 months and includes a type rating for 125K Euros. I am trying to understand if my impatient thoughts could with stand an extra year. I understand you always want to add a little bit of "fat" to their time frames but was any of it lets say controllable.

https://www.grupooneair.com/commerci...dgqb#timelines


2- Leading edge was my second choice but currently their costs are 117K Euros with out Type rating. Is there any recommendation on other schools.

Thank you
https://leadingedgeaviation.com/leap...raining-spain/

I think CAE is now realistically around 26 months.

On option 1 you mentioned, 18 months is an ideal situation, all school will have some delays, and even if it's really 18 months, you need to take into account the time to look for a job, interview, holding pool while waiting for type rating course and base training, induction, you'll probably ended up about the same or more timeframe but more costly.

For option 2, from my discussion with LE students, their flight training also delayed and most didn't finished within the quoted 18 months, even if they finish on time, similar situation with option 1, LE might be a bit better as there are many airlines tagging the student during the course. But be aware of the financial risk, LE financial statement in companies house is a bit worrying to say the least.

Good alternative to CAE is FTE Jerez, their timeline more reliable i heard, but also more costly vs option 1, but not vs option 2.

Hi, I’m also an ezy cadet, as has already been mentioned expect delays. A few proms have been delayed by 2/3 months before going to Phoenix as CAE has had (and still has to a certain degree) troubles in sorting out CFIs shortage. But you should really start getting used to delays/changes of schedule because that’s kinda how aviation works as far as I understood so far. Regarding the cost of housing it really ranges between 900€ up to 1100€ each depending on how many people are leaving under the same roof and of course in which area you’d be staying.

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You're a paying customer forking out the best part of 100K to an organisation that, based on what you said, is incapable of providing their product in a timely manner. If they’re feeding you the line of ‘get used to it, that’s aviation’, that is absolutely outrageous and I’m staggered you’re standing for it.

Training should take 18 months, maybe a bit more to get rated and up to speed at the end. Tack on six months of delays and all that does is delay your career. There’s people who popped out during Covid from the notoriously delay beset school who took years of career stagnation, all because of an inability to do the absolute basics of being a flying school. Get your students in a plane, throw in an instructor, get them flying. If they’re can’t get the staff it sounds like a them problem, and a problem they need to throw the chequebook at.

Quite agree. I am amazed at how much people are prepared to take. It doesn't say a lot for self-esteem and ultimately captaincy.

What are easyJet doing to push things along?

I recall reading a comment written something like twenty years ago on a thread about an integrated school which described some students/customers in a simulator sucking up to the school management during an open day tour. I think the course in question was a whitetail course but the challenge remains the same, the flying schools have a significant influence over their customers' future job prospects (including on airline schemes) and for as long as that continues I doubt the vast majority of customers will be kicking up too much of a fuss.

I agree with you, but they claim the course takes between 20 and 24 months (it’s in the contract), realistically they’re still within that deadline. I’m not defending the school, because as you said we’re customers paying huge amount of money so expecting at least the schedule to be respected is the bare minimum.

Am I wrong in thinking this.

At the end of the day, we are a paying client who in financial terms has invested heavily into something that may or may not be working out as planned.
I work in Construction Finance and if something isn't working, then there is always a knock on effect, be that new staff, new procedures to ensure it doesn't happen again, contingencies, budget re-allocation or even performance bonds.

Is there anything such like in the aviation industry that if things aren't going to plan, they go "oh well its on you, there is nothing we can do".

From reading these posts, I feel that they are happy to take your money after advertising with their a nice shiny poster, but once things don't go to plan they don't seem to be bothered.

My plan of attack is to get to as school with in the next 18 months or so, but I want to find somewhere that people have made minimal complaints about. Yes there will be the generic issues, but I am talking more about CFI's and schools that seem to care more and want you to succeed as opposed to just take your hard earned cash and ignoring you when there is delays.

Unfortunately what you are saying is reality in most schools… Once you pay the don’t care anymore about you, I think aviation is one of the few environments where the customer has 0 power, especially if the school offers an mpl program which basically gives them a monopoly situation.