Frozen vs Full ATPL
 

Hi there

Quick question regarding licences in EASA land. I have a CPL issued by a member state of EASA and all the hours needed for a full ATPL. I can´t get a full ATPL in my licence state until i reach command of the aircraft type I fly. That is still a few years away and I am looking at other opportunities overseas where a full ATPL is needed.

My question is: Is it possible to convert my licence to (for example) the UK, and then automatically *thaw* my licence and attain an ATPL, or is a flight test etc needed? I did my 14 ATPL theory exams and my initial medical at Gatwick, not sure if this helps?

Thanks!

Which particular member state?
I guess it should theoretically be possible to obtain a CAA issued EASA FCL as long as you have met the course training requirements but you may well have to sit all the CAA flight tests etc.

How long ago did you sit your ATPLs at Gatwick?

You have 7 years from last IR entered on your EASA License to get ATPL.

I fell foul of this rule and have to resit all ATPL exams except IFR/VFR Comms.
I now only have CPL/IR until I resit the exams and do a Skill Test:ugh:

FCL.025 Theoretical knowledge examinations for the issue of licences and ratings

(b) Pass standards

(1) A pass in a theoretical knowledge examination paper will be awarded to an applicant achieving at least 75 % of the marks allocated to that paper. There is no penalty marking.

(2) Unless otherwise determined in this Part, an applicant has successfully completed the required theoretical knowledge examination for the appropriate pilot licence or rating when he/she has passed all the required examination papers within a period of 18 months counted from the end of the calendar month when the applicant first attempted an examination.

(3) If an applicant has failed to pass one of the theoretical knowledge examination papers within 4 attempts, or has failed to pass all papers within either 6 sittings or the period
mentioned in paragraph (2), he/she shall re-take the complete set of examination papers.

Before re-taking the theoretical knowledge examinations, the applicant shall undertake further training at an ATO. The extent and scope of the training needed shall be determined by the ATO, based on the needs of the applicant.

(c) Validity period

(2) The completion of the airline transport pilot licence (ATPL) theoretical knowledge examinations will remain valid for the issue of an ATPL for a period of 7 years from the last
validity date of:

(i) an IR entered in the licence;

You must also transfer your EASA Medical to the member state, (UK)which could put your current job at risk, if no one can sign your LPC

Why not? You fly a Multi pilot aircraft? Can you not just do an ATPL skills test on your next SIM and then apply for your licence? I do not understand why the rules should be different in one member state to another?

Hi. When you obtain the full ATPL with IR. Do you still have the possibility to lost your theoretical exams If you don´t have an IR Skill test after 7 years?

On my licence it say's

Validity:
This licence shall remain in force for the holders lifetime unless revoked, suspended or varied:ok:

Hi Council. I think this is only for the ATPL license but not for the IR Examinations Which are only 7 exams as CAP 804 said. Is that correct?


FCL.625 IR(A) – Validity, revalidation and renewal
(a) Validity. An IR(A) shall be valid for 1 year.
(b) Revalidation
(1) An IR(A) shall be revalidated within the 3 months immediately preceding the
expiry date of the rating.
(2) Applicants who fail to pass the relevant section of an IR(A) proficiency check
before the expiry date of the IR(A) shall not exercise the IR(A) privileges until
they have passed the proficiency check.
(c) Renewal. If an IR(A) has expired, in order to renew their privileges applicants shall:
(1) go through refresher training at an ATO to reach the level of proficiency
needed to pass the instrument element of the skill test in accordance with
Appendix 9 to Part-FCL; and
(2) complete a proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to Part-FCL, in
an aeroplane.
(d) If the IR(A) has not been revalidated or renewed within the preceding 7 years, the
holder will be required to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and
skill test.

Sorry I understand what you were asking now but it is surely a very hypothetical question and I do not know the answer? It would also seem to be a contradiction to have an ATPL for life but the IR exams to potentially expire after 7 years.

No problem. It is confusing. I am actually flying outside Europe and I Do not want surprises in the future.

This could potentially be a problem for you however it appears that the CAA in the UK will possibly accept an IR revalidation in a non EASA state.

Go to page 8 of this thread and read the first post

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/46...+UK+licence+EU


I would recomend that you contact the aviation authority in the state, Spain I would guess, that issued​ your licence and request written clarification. Best of luck.