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mad_jock 15th February 2012 10:29

Yep all based on the same report.

They want to keep the current over supply so they can drive the T&C's down.

They want you to put 40-90k into the training industry to maintain it and then pay peanuts because there are 10 pilots for every job.

magicmick 16th February 2012 10:57

Hi MJ, please excuse my ignorance/ naivety/ stupidity (delete as appropriate).

I can totally understand how the shortage forecast is the stuff of wet dreams for training school owners and airline CEOs to keep students coming in the doors and to keep Ts and Cs down for the fortunate few employed pilots.

However ICAO are behind this forecast and I can’t figure out why they would want to keep training schools full and Ts and Cs down.

Maybe I’m missing something.

mad_jock 16th February 2012 11:08

If you go and have a look at the person that has put this out it may become more logical why it has come out.

Everything is linked through the World Aviation Training Conference and Tradeshow (WATS)

They will have put it out due to lobbying by the training industry which is more than likely suffering in the present climate in certain areas of the world.

magicmick 16th February 2012 11:19

Fair enough, many thanks for the information.

Genghis the Engineer 16th February 2012 15:11


Originally Posted by magicmick (Post 7026463)
Hi MJ, please excuse my ignorance/ naivety/ stupidity (delete as appropriate).

I can totally understand how the shortage forecast is the stuff of wet dreams for training school owners and airline CEOs to keep students coming in the doors and to keep Ts and Cs down for the fortunate few employed pilots.

However ICAO are behind this forecast and I can’t figure out why they would want to keep training schools full and Ts and Cs down.

Maybe I’m missing something.

No, some people talking at a conference organised by ICAO were behind the forecast. This is very different.

I've talked on BBC Newsnight about why certain accidents might have occurred. At the end of the day, you heard it from me, not from the BBC. On at-least one occasion the official accident report proved me completely wrong.

G

magicmick 17th February 2012 12:53

Thanks for putting that into perspective Genghis, so any organisation can pay a fee and use an ICAO organised conference as a mouthpiece for their own agenda(s).

Joe Public sees the ICAO name all over the conference and trusts that everything presented is validated and endorsed by ICAO, thereby giving the information reasonable credibility.

Genghis the Engineer 17th February 2012 18:48

Arguably true of Royal Aeronautical Society conferences, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics conferences, conferences organised by the government Chief Scientist.....

The issue really is that of some unscrupulous and biased journalists misconstruing conference "opinion" papers and then it getting picked up by organisations with strong interests and representing it as "fact".

G


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