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Reverserbucket 24th April 2018 16:58


1500hrs of which 500 hrs is jet time on type
You have passed your airlines' line proficiency check/skill test after 1500 hrs
By this time you probably will be bumped up to a senior first officer
Almost PA28, 1500 hours of which 500 needs to be on a multi-pilot type, by which time you will have long passed an LPC. In BA, SFO is achieved after two years in the company regardless of previous experience.

nadz

I have an old friend the same age as myself who flies the 777 for BA and his advice is that its too late if you are my age
...and who has possibly been at BA for a number of years with the accumulated seniority that brings as well as being on an attractive fleet. The prospect of starting out at the same age would mean it would be highly unlikely you would achieve the same before retirement (particularly if your friend is a Skipper) but not so for all operators. I was told last week that for one sizeable EU operator F/O recruits in their mid-30's to mid 40's are the most desirable because of what they will likely give back over the course of their employment - he cited commitment, life experience (particularly for potential training roles) and longevity with the company, meaning this group would more likely make a career with one operator than be tempted to head overseas in part due to other commitments etc. So the question is not so much age (although I agree with nadz that sharpness degrades of course) but really whether you can afford to devote yourself to full-time training (modular is pretty full-on regardless of what others say), absorb what is likely to be a sizable pay cut by the time you reach late-30's/early-40's, accept that you will be spending more time away from home (more than likely), be absent for family occasions (birthdays, Christmas etc), and accept that you will possibly not achieve command on a wide-body Airbus or Boeing before retirement, and assuming the cost of training is no barrier, why not?

Juanbpalacio14 4th June 2018 23:10

Please Help me!!
 
Hi. Mi name is Juan. I'm a commercial pilot in Colombia with 213 hours and I have Spanish nacionality.
in this moment I'm in England and I 'm considering make my license conversion in Egnatia (Greece).(distance course )
I'm new europe (aviation enviroment) and is Very important for me, know about the real offer job to pilots with 200 hours . Is s good moment to study aviation?. If you pay a type rating for yourself, increases the oportunities to get a job?. Is the age a problem? Because when I finish the conversion I will be 28.
sorry for the questions but, As I said, I new in europe and I dont have a lot of information
thanks

JakubEGSC 5th June 2018 14:18

I will be 38 when I finish training. I am still going in for it.

It's financially very hard and the brain is a bit stale - but the feeling of trying is exhilarating.

rudestuff 5th June 2018 21:26

^^good for you. A great time to get into it.

DB777 14th June 2018 11:48


Originally Posted by JakubEGSC (Post 10165606)
I will be 38 when I finish training. I am still going in for it.

It's financially very hard and the brain is a bit stale - but the feeling of trying is exhilarating.

JakubEGSC, i'm local to you – where are you going for ground school?

JakubEGSC 17th June 2018 07:07

Hey DB777,

I live in Newmarket 15miles from Cambridge and fly from North Weald. If you fancy to meet up for a coffee or beer let me know I can drive up anywhere. Would be good meet fellow students.

I am doing ATPL theory with Bristol Ground School, but... via Bartolini Air in Poland (distance learning with 2 weeks of ground school in September).

PM me/Whatsapp/call if you want on 07784162735.

Jakub

2unlimited 30th July 2018 22:36


Originally Posted by PA28161 (Post 10126850)
Correction .....in my profession should read .. you don't.....

You know there is an edit button, so you don't actually need to make new post to correct yourself?

Sethorion 25th October 2018 20:30

My research indicates that the job market for fresh pilots can be tricky for people starting at advanced ages. I'm particularly interested in this because I'm going to be at least 35 (am 26 now) before I can afford to pay for all of my certificates and training.

Has anyone here heard of a mid thirties cadet pilot breaking into the commercial sector recently?

I've noticed that most of Ryanair's recruits in their monthly corporate photos look young but a couple of the cadets do look older.

Nurse2Pilot 25th October 2018 21:19

There have been cases of even older pilots getting jobs but no idea if that happened recently or how long ago. Where did you do your research?

RHSandLovingIt 25th October 2018 22:18

Not in Europe... But I personally know one guy who got a job with an airline (Twin Turboprop) at the age of 43... ;)

1950+ TT and not having flown commercially for 2 years... It was worth keeping the licence, ratings and medical current. :ok:

Granted most of the guys/gals I've encountered on assessment and subsequent Type Rating course were early to mid-20's... But there is still hope for us old'uns ;)

Sethorion 27th October 2018 17:55


Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot (Post 10292554)
There have been cases of even older pilots getting jobs but no idea if that happened recently or how long ago. Where did you do your research?

Mostly through the Internet. There are a few stories of older people becoming pilots but very few seem to talk about it based upon my searches.

Having a technically oriented career and a similar degree all seem to help if the things I've read are true.

I hear Ryanair are the best place to apply for older pilots but I'm not sure who to go towards if that fails.

Nurse2Pilot 27th October 2018 19:17

There are a lot of old pilots here and I'm sure not all of them became pilots in their 20s. I wonder if anyone's done a survey regarding the age at which airline pilots start their aviation careers? Long story short, I don't think what we see is representative of what's actually happening. For sure most of the pilots start out young but we don't really know what percentage of pilots started later in their lives.

airbourne 29th October 2018 21:12

30 years in the same business.

Member of Pprune for 18 years.

PPL A & PPL H

45 and starting out on the road to ATPL's!!!!

When is all said and done, I would think I would have 17-18 years good flying and FINALLY chase my other dream.

Halfwayback 30th October 2018 16:38

I was 48 when I took my ATPLs - and started as a DEC with a major British Airline on a 4 engine turbo prop! Then the doors slammed closed behind me.

Go for it - if you don't, you will never know if you could have made it or not!

HWB

Esvees 31st October 2018 13:42

Looking at ATPL training for older students
 
Hi all,

Pleasure to meet you all, I've been reading regularly, but was hoping to get some good advice on options for this. I'm currently 39, work as an ex-pat manager in Shanghai, have a university degree and en executive MBA. Currently no kids, just a girlfriend. Every three months I go back to our company HQ in the Netherlands and usually get in some flying with Premier at Norwich airport (where my dad lives) I am very close to completing my PPL, despite the distance and sometimes non co-operative weather. My job is ok, as it pays relatively well, but it's a bit of a dead-end and we're getting really tired of living in China. And if ever I am going to be a professional pilot, this is probably my last chance.

I'm not going to pose the old "am I too old to be a pilot" question again as there are lots of answers already and I figure as with most things in life, sheer determination and intelligence and a bit of luck can see you through. What I'm looking at is training organizations that would still take on an old-timer like me that have some pretty good links to the airlines and where with any luck at the end I could end up doing a type-rating.

- Is it fair to assume that a large organization such as CAE is more likely to have the network and brand to land you a flying job at the end or are there smaller academies that are good at this too?
- I tried the KLM flight academy in the Netherlands ( I can speak Dutch) already; even though there is no official maximum age, they do have a soft cap of around 27,5 years old. KLM mostly recruits from them, but I'm unlikely to be accepted. I'm looking at Atlantic flight academy as well, due to the links to Ryanair. Are there any others worth looking at that might accept us oldies that the carriers recruit from directly?
- Usually, can your PPL allow you to skip certain parts of the practical course? (not the 15 written exams obviously)

Just looking for some no-nonsense advice here. Belgium or UK (Norfolk) are easiest for me as I can live rent-free in either, but I'll actually consider anywhere in the world as long as the help in landing that type rating/first job at the end is good. Relatively comfortable money-wise as I have saved quite a bit and can always get a regular job if things don't pan out, but I would love to fly for a living.

Thanks for any insights!

Outofnowhere 31st October 2018 14:16

Advise needed
 

Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 10066254)
Why would you want to spend 100k when a fATPL costs 40k? You could start at 40 and still have a 25 year career ahead of you. If you're looking for people to talk you out of it, it's probably not the career for you.

Hello there,
I was hoping for some guidance here. I am 37, based in Dubai for a full time Job. To be able to finance myself, I am considering the modular distant learning route. All support and guidance welcomed on the best academies to contact for an EASA fATPL.

johnjohncafe 31st October 2018 20:42


Originally Posted by airbourne (Post 10296149)
30 years in the same business.

Member of Pprune for 18 years.

PPL A & PPL H

45 and starting out on the road to ATPL's!!!!

When is all said and done, I would think I would have 17-18 years good flying and FINALLY chase my other dream.


Bonne chance mate !!!

topgunT23 3rd November 2018 11:21

48 and I have my first interview interview coming up :eek: Got my licence and ratings 9 years ago but it all got put on the back-burner, what with family commitments and moving to the other side of the world. Can anyone recommend which psychometric tests to use as practice? Thanks

youngretired 3rd November 2018 20:00


Originally Posted by topgunT23 (Post 10300418)
48 and I have my first interview interview coming up :eek: Got my licence and ratings 9 years ago but it all got put on the back-burner, what with family commitments and moving to the other side of the world. Can anyone recommend which psychometric tests to use as practice? Thanks

Ask them directly what app to study or try SkyTest.

topgunT23 4th November 2018 11:51

Quick maths techniques
 

Originally Posted by youngretired (Post 10300758)
Ask them directly what app to study or try Skytest.

Cheers youngretired
Can anyone help with quick mental maths techniques for the likes of the tests? i.e. A man exchanges 368 pounds for dollars at an exchange rate of 1 pound=1:72 dollars. How many dollars does he get in return? (answer to the nearest dollar)
If you travel 1248 miles, how much fuel will you need if you burn 4500 kgs per hour and are travelling at 72O mph?;
A 737 flies 930 miles in 75 minutes. How many miles does it fly in 4 hours 45 minutes assuming as constant speed?
If an aircraft departed an airfield and headed directly south for 16 miles and then turned onto a heading of 27O degrees for 12 minutes at an average speed of 80 miles per hour, how many miles is it (in a straight line) from its original destination?
How many nautical miles can an aircraft travel if it is carrying 288O kgs of fuel and burns 240 kgs an hour averaging a speed of 375 knots?

This sort of thing. It's up there but a bit cloudy after not using it for so long, so any quick help or poke in the right direction, as the topic has no doubt been covered on here before, would be greatly appreciated. Don't mean to hijack the post. If I need to ask elsewhere or start a new thread, please let me know.


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