Why do people fail Type Ratings?
 

Heard about three people who failed TR courses. All different airlines, turboprop and jet. Seems to be more common than I thought Are the airlines ruthless and unforgiving? Haven't got that far myself but wonder how many fail and what can catch you out?

Can't imagine anything worse than getting the big break, possibly giving up the day job and then being shown the door.

Why do I ask? Because I wonder if I would make it through a TR course.

It's a question worth asking.
To be honest, only a tiny, tiny percentage fail the TR. I'd imagine the people that do fall at this hurdle are those that think they'll be fed the course on a plate.
I personnally found the type rating the hardest and certainly the most intense part of the training. You're told from day one that you are in charge of your own learning, the instructors are there to facilitate that learning.
Prepare for some hard work. But not many people get this far without the dedication to see it through.
The instructors have high standards, but believe me - they want you to get through (less paper work).
Good luck!

PS. Paper work bit was a joke. Had to point it out, some people take everything literally.

People fail TR's for several reasons. Going from a light to a medium or heavy jet isn't always easy with low hours. Nice and patient instructors can help a lot and stressy and arrogant instructors can do a lot of dammage. Some students have problems with some parts of the TR, like crosswind landings, raw data flying or just a scan problem. Airlines need their students to perform into a certain number of sessions so it doesn't always work out for some people. Some of them fail in the line training and again it depends of the airline to sort their problem out or not. If you pay for your own type rating i think that the airlines will be more demanding than if you had a type rating paid by an airline. But i just think that's the way it is and i might be wrong. Every case is different so it's difficult to say what the real reasons are. I'm not a native English speaker so forgive me my spelling and i'm also one of those pilots who failed a line training. My problem was that i couldn't get the landings right to be safety released so the airline decided to stop the training. There are very few treats about those cases but in a personnal way it's a very difficult thing to handle. Cadets are cadets and everybody has his or her own problems and some of the problems are expensive for airlines. But i know people who failed TR's and got jobs later on on other airlines, it's just a matter of going on and improving your skills.

t/rating is not easy, it was very hard for me and I did not enjoy the course, lot of new things to learn in 5 weeks.
On the airbus, you have only 7 sessions of 4 hours to know the plane.
some people need more!
again, the hours given by TRTOs are minimum hours if all OK.

if you have now some problems to land a plane in a X wind , would be better to rent an aircraft, and learn to fly properly before spending 35'000 euro in a simulator because your examiner will expect you to fly safe before to see you transporting 170 souls on board.

757 or A320
 

Hi :O

Given current aviation conditions, which type rating would you suggest - A320 or 757?:ugh:

Thanks

I would say the A320 based on how many airlines in the uk that operate them.

i had a bizarre dream that i saw an A321 take off and get taken over by the computer and flew out of control taking people on a rollercoaster ride which scared the beejezzers out of me, i know boeing are making FBW now but i just get worried about the computer taking the controls like what happened with an Emirates 777 a while back. I love Airbus and boeing equally btw.

one fading away, the other selling every day.

Lots of 75 jobs at the moment, or so it seems. Everyone I know who has recently completed a 75 rating now has a job. Also, its a proper aeroplane, not like the 320! ;)

Surely the best choice is the one that maximises your employment prospects with the airlines you can/want to work for. For example, if your dream job is at Jet2, an A320 rating won't be a lot of use!

bit of a gamble - A320 still selling well and in production. As former 757 driver - now just going to Bizjet - and I can you there a lots of B757 and 76 jobs around - however many companies still differ between 75 and 76 - no 76 jobs with 75 experience only - fantastic Airplanes they are ...........
Even better - make you future employer pay ..........

stevehudd

Care to elaborate on that comment? I've heard nothing regarding any computer wobblies on the B777, especially an Emirates one. Unlike the A320, Boeing retains Pilot authority logic on its Aircraft so i'm intrigued by your remark.

BYMONEK

If you want to spend money on a TR here is the list, Airbus 320, Boeing 737NG, ATR, BAe 146, Dash 8 Q400. if you wan to go the airline way. These airplanes are hot in the market at the moment. But it can change,,,how knows.

Within the UK at least, there aren't that many ATR operators. Sadly Woodford no longer make 146s so the operators are drying up there also.

Type rating.
 

Hi people,
I see many threads regarding type rating. Can someone explain me what are the different type ratings and how does it work?

Thanks.

Guys/Gals,
Have many people who have paid for a type rating made contacts as a result of the course who have helped you to gain employment?

Just wondered if the courses can help in ways other than the obvious.

cheers

the drifter :ok:

Ended TR in late november.
had 5 airline contacts in the last 20 days

cheers

MV

To Manuelvi
 

Thats Exciting.
So, How far have you gotten?! Did you go to the Aer Lingus interview or is it still the line training package at Atlasjet?!:8
Cheers
Pstatic

Still with atlas as aer lingus seems to be quiet at the moment.
cheers

Randhem TR A320 Minneapolis
 

Hi there! For the ones who had the TR320 from Randhem in Minneapolis; I was wondering in which hotels you stayed and which neighbourhood. And what's the name of the hotel that Randhem offers for €55?
Thanks!