Hi again Dmax

Whats FTD ?? and are 32 hrs enough or do people usually need extra hrs ? Alot of other TRTOs offer 40-50 hrs in the sim - thats why the 32 hrs worry me -

I thinking of starting i Oct or so so if anyone has the CBT for sale Im interested so I can start to pratice it now

Jannik

FTD is the Flight Training Device I think.....it should be the fixed simulator for FMS and to learn the procedures guide.

I think that TRTO are all almost similar....

Sabena makes 36 hours on FFS and 15 on FTD
Intercockpit 32 hr FFS and 16 FTD

I don't know FSB how may hours on FTD is.

Davide

http://www.flugschule-berlin.de/
http://www.cockpit4u.com/
http://www.flypgs.com/eng/pilot.egitim.asp
http://www.stormaviation.com/
http://www.bettsrecruitmentltd.co.uk/
http://www.twinair.ch/
http://www.datflightacademy.com/

Add all extra included in price, hotel, travel, if the the fixed base training is done in real simulator and so on.

Avia training www.aviatraining.no
50 hours, 19900 EURO, real sim.

Bond Aviation www.bondaviationsolutions.com
52 hours, Price?

CEA www.cae.com/aviationtraining
Hours, price?

Dan Fly Aviation www.danfly-aviation.com
42 ½ hours, 17950 EURO

GECAT www.gecat.com
Hours, price?

Intercockpit www.intercockpit.de
52 hours, 16450 euro

Randhem Aviation www.randhem.com
55 hours, 14400 Euro, Hotel included. real sim.

Sabena www.sfa.be
47 hours, 23000 Euro, Hotel, and base check included?

Parc Aviation - http://www.parcaviation.aero
Hours, price?

www.flugschule-berlin.de/
Hours, price?

www.cockpit4u.com/
Hours, price?

www.flypgs.com/eng/pilot.egitim.asp
Hours, price?

www.stormaviation.com/
Hours, price?

www.bettsrecruitmentltd.co.uk/
Hours, price?

www.twinair.ch/
Hours, price?

www.datflightacademy.com/
Hours, price?



Base check can be done at Sterling airways for a fixed price of 5000 euro.


"Whats FTD ?? and are 32 hrs enough or do people usually need extra hrs ? Alot of other TRTOs offer 40-50 hrs in the sim - thats why the 32 hrs worry me -
I thinking of starting i Oct or so so if anyone has the CBT for sale Im interested so I can start to pratice it now
Jannik"

Jannik,
32 hours full flight are usually standard,
but the Fixed Base Simulator hours may differ, some companies use mock-up or similar= not good.
I have done the rating my self and I think it's important that you do these hours in a real simulator. Otherwise it’s a big chance you have to spend extra money on hours.
If you enrol to a course well in advance you will get the CBT anyway long before course start.

Over 50 (total) simulator hours is good.
(If you have previous jet experience you can do a shorter course)

Hey Hulk...
 

I have a bridge for you to buy... I send you a picture after the payment :}

If your gonna buy a rating, go for the smaller TP ones like Saab 340. Getting yourself a brand and shiny 738 rating with a small amount of hours could turn out to be very dangerous. The only time I'd pay for a jet TR is if I have a company backing me up (i.e Ryanair or similar...)

I too was going to do an A320 endorsement + buy F/O time but I only have 350 TT. I checked recruiters web sites where pilots post their details for employers and have come across thousands of pilots with A320 and B737 TR and other heavy jets TR with thousands of hours on type who can't find jobs. Search recruiters web sites before you spend the money to get an idea of who you're competing with- unless ofcourse you have $ to spend. Good Luck!

Pass rate for type ratings.
 

I was wondering if any of you guys currently flying jets found the type rating easier than the ir. I am asking becauce I am currently 15hrs in to my ir and the learning curve seems pretty steep.I am just begining to grasp it. Since I started training a couple of years ago I've only known of one person who failed the type rating or was kicked off so to speak.
Having said that half of the people I know that are currently flying jets partialed thier ir one even passed his ir on the third attempt and got through the ctc atp scheme. Is the type rating generally easier compared to the instrument rating.
Your feedback will be highly appreciated.
*Its worth noting that those ir partials were mostly for small but serious enough mistakes due to the mental workload of the ir flight test based on the feedback I've got from friends that have done it.

I have heard of a few that have failed.

It's just different. I don't know about jet types but TP's its proberly about the same intial learning curve than the IR its just that your use to that stress level now so it doesn't seem to bad. Its a different enviroment to learn in. The simulator is intially a scary bit of kit which after 2 hours can and will make you feel sick if you don't shut your eyes as soon as, if not before the TRI starts slewing it.

The real main differences is the multi crew change and learning to operate the machine instead of flying the machine. Intially you will try and take on to much of the work load after a while you learn you have but to ask and you shall get unless you have an old school captain who will have selective hearing until they would do what you want (99.9% of the time they are doing you a favour by missing hearing you)

The LST is nothing like the IR test in a MEP. And if your lucky enough to have a sim partner who is a proper captain instead of another low hour FO trainee. The whole thing is a breeze in comparision.

But its all subjective It could be its 10 times harder than the IR training its just that your personal limits have changed and even with the increased work load you are operating at 90% of your limit instead of the 120% you were doing while doing the IR course. And the second type is brillant fun. All the stuff you were maxed out on before is renforced and properly understood. All the profiles are virtually the same apart from new speeds. You know what the other person is doing. And you are so far ahead of the game you just have to figure out what sodding button to press to get what you want. And the adjustment of your scan takes a while to bed in.

Some Details on prices:

Sabena: till 15 Sept. 23000 € all included, plus discounted SN Bruxelles's flight tickets to get to them. Fixed base simulator is not a mock-up but a semi-real simulator (see the website) JOB HELP AFTER (about 60 airlines in contact)

Intercockpit: 16450 € only the course, you have to add the base check that they said me is about 6000/8000 € (a little bit expencive eh?) so total in the worst case of 8000€ B.check= 24450€ (But you save Hotels for CBT that you do at your home not in Germany). JOB HELP AFTER

Cockpit4U: 17300€ only course + 6270 € base check= 23570€ NO JOB HELP AFTER

Randhem= 14400 € course + 5000 € base check= 19500 € (note, in the USA, so add from 600 to 1000 € to get there, so about total of 20500) NO JOB HELP AFTER

Astraeus (Bond aviation solutions): about 24000 € included base check MAYBE JOB HELP AFTER

Aviatraining: 19900 € course 50 hours + 5150 € base check = 25050 € total
16875 € course 36 hours + 5150 € base check = 22025 € total
16500 € course 34 hours + 5150 € base check = 21650 € total
NO JOB HELP AFTER

Parc aviation: Assessments 800€ (not refundable if not admitted to the course), IF PASSED ASSESSMENTS (not so easy), 27500 € all included.
Theoretical course in Dublin, Simulator in London, Base check in Sweden (maybe with FlyMe) I think other 1000 € spent traveling and in hotels. JOB HELP AFTER, MAYBE 100% CANDIDATES HAS BEEN PLACED IN AN AIRLINE (any further information about that?)

Hope this help you (and me :) )

Cheers
Davide

.........And some details on Simulator hours:
NOTE: share the FFS hours (full flight sim) from the FTD or CPT (fixed simulator / cockpit procedure training).


Sabena Flight Academy: 67 Total hours (52 FFS + 15 CPT) The CPT is a nice fixed simulator with switches and lights, see here http://http://www.sfa.be/training-fa...T-B737-300.htm

Randhem: 55 Total hours (35 FFS + 20 fixed based)

Intercockpit: 52 Total hours (36 FFS + 16 Fixed based)

Aviatraining: 50 Total hours (don't know the FFS/FTD/CPT parts) or (cheaper course) 34 Total hours or 36 Total hours courses

Astraeus (bond aviation solutions): 52 total hours (16 Fixed base sim. + 36 FFS)

Parc Aviation: don't know

Cockpit4U: don't know

Cheers
Davide

The fixed base stuff is all done in the Level D simulator but with the motion switched off.

I heard that Cockpit4u has contacts with WizzAir and maybe AirBerlin.

Hallo !

I did my 737 TR at the FSB. Really happy about it. 32 hours FFS 737-700, 2 hours 737-300 and 4 hours of test.
In addition, they offer a paid line training (as F/O) of 100 hours with Germania (HLX.com). In addition they really have good connnections with the market and can sometimes (worked in my case) recommand and place their students (particularly if you speak german).
As a matter of fact, the school is onwed by an Air Berlin senior Capt as well as a Germania Cpt. As a matter of fact, a lot of people have be placed to Air Berlin in particular.


Accomodations and life in Berlin is really cheap and interessing !

Did you hear some type rated in FSB non-german speaking that fund a job?

I was interested in FSB but I've heared that few pilots, always german speaking, fund a job thank to FSB.

The line training in Germania have a loooooong waiting list (1 year); how long did you wait? Paid line training what do you mean? You have paid that or included in the 22000 €?

I've read here on pprune guys that after the 100 hours for Germania are still unemployed.

Davide

Ok but we would like to know if these are isolated cases to people speaking german. Obviously, if I was a Chief pilot of an italian airline and a TRI of an Italian TRTO show me 2 type rated pilots, 1 german and 1 italian, given the same skills, I'd take the italian.

So, I think that this is the same thing there; aboveall if the TRTO has only german airlines contacts. It would be different if the TRTO had contacts with various international airlines.

Davide

Any news or details of pilots employed after Sabena Flight Academy?

Dmax : The line training, you don t pay for it, but it is you that is paid. You get money FROM the airline.
Of course there are people with 100 hours on type without a job. As well as other with 300 ! It also depends upon the person. There are people you don t want employ even with 500 hours on the type ( I met one ex FSB graduate... I understood why nobody wanted him !).

The FSB has also "placed" some Dannish guys within AirBaltic, but that s all I know...
It is true that the waiting list is long, but 100 hours on type is a something fantastic to get a job. Moreover, they place as many people as possible in order to shorten the list. I refused my line training with the FSB because they found me a job.

How many hours had you when get a job?

I heared that Sabena Flight Academy help to give you a job and the quality of training is optimum.

Has somebody information about that? I'm going to choose one between FSB and Sabena.

Davide

I had the lowest possible : 1 hour on type (base check) and 240 hours total time