I did something similar a long time ago, I instructed for 2 years and gained about 1100 hours, then I decided it was time to move on, so I quit my job and I started begging any Airline I could.
Guess what! I couldn't find anything for more than one year and still up to date nobody called me for an interview!

Then I decided to go and look for something smaller and I ended up paying for a type rating and then eventually getting a job!
If you get a jet type rating without anything ready afterward, what is the difference!

Everybody knows that having a type rating with no real experience doesn't really count!

If you really want to get an airline job, the quickest way are Ryainair and Easyjet, yeas you will have to pay for a type rating but afterward you will get a job!
Or you can wait untill things will get better.....

Me I am stuck in Africa flying a turboprop and I know that the chances of getting a job in a major are quite low, but at least I am having a good time.....

Good luck and Good flying
Speevy

You sure can.
 

Got my first jet job after Sept 11 WITHOUT a type rating. Then moved onto a large airline WITHOUT a type rating.

It can be done but you need to network and work for it. Not just a case of sending off cv's.

Good Luck.

MAX:cool:

What I think that most newbies do is that they aim too high without even having started their real training on the road to become a pilot! Sure, the aviation industry isn't very attractive but seriously... Would you rather have an office job and forget the dream you had since you were a kid?

Aim high, but not too high. According to what I know, it's extremely difficult to get into a major airline once you graduate from an ab-inito program such as the APP in EFT.

What about working as an instructor for a while and be patient for a while. Maybe one could get into a regional airline and work there for a few years until the big job comes up! To pay for ratings and applications to be read is absolutely ridiculous!

What do you think about those future plans?

Hi Monkey, pay for your type rating please.
 

Ahoy

PPL 75 hrs etc . . . Managed to pay off the baby licence whilst working. Which is nice.

If, say, I decide to go and get the frozen, what's the likelihood of then having to pay for a type rating? 50 thousand ponies, bars, sheets or whatever HSBC loan service decides to call them; then 20 more for the type rating? How common is this lunacy? My friend’s just got a contract with flybe, and they’re making him pay for it, who else? I’d rather be b*ggered by a Walrus than take a 65K+ loan out for it all.

Anyone who replies with “Your hearts not in it” will be found and introduced to the aforementioned creature. 65K+ is no giggling matter.

Given this, would it be better to go to a cheaper school, and pay for a type, or to go to somewhere like Ox without?

Cheers for your time

Monkey ? Ponies ? Walrus ? Ox ?

Have you thought instead about becoming a vet ?

If you decide to go and get a "frozen", (would that be an ATPL ?) Whats the likelihood of having to pay for a type rating ? Who can say. You have to pass the various obstacles in obtaining a licence first and the Class 1 medical requirements. I suspect your figure of "65K" is fairly arbitary since the costs for any individual vary with their own ability and experience and of course luck ! In truth a few hundred hours and a bought type rating isn't going to excite anybody other than companies who might be looking for low houred pilots on low salaries who will also assume the financial risk for their own training costs. Certainly there are a few around today, but who can predict what will happen next month or next year. I suspect it wouldn't take much more than 1 or 2 high profile incidents for Airline Insurance companies to put a fiscal stop to this practice and specify minimum levels of experience. Of course that is only my opinion and you pay your money and take your chances.

As others will tell you there are no guarantees in this business, but there is a need to consistently and adequately prove yourself. The best advice you can be given is to research the many threads here and speak to others who have embarked on this path and then decide if it is really a risk you want to take, and then how best you can plan a strategy to give you the optimum chance of achieving that goal. For most people money is a serious obstacle and clearly the cost of training may prove to be a compromise between the best you can perceive and the best you can afford. There is often truth in the saying that you get what you pay for, and cheaper schools may prove to be a false economy if it requires resits or takes longer to achieve the requisite standards. Type ratings ( as they apply to large aircraft types) are very much at the end of a professional licence course and I am not at all sure I would even worry about such things until the licence itself was obtained. Then and only then might it be a consideration to move onto the employment stage.

Type Ratings
 

Hi.

First of all, i would like to say that: Yes, i know there is a search function, and know how to use it.

BUT.
when searching for information regarding TR's you will get sooo many threads about information on different places, and different people.
What i would like to achieve with this thread is an overview of known TR places. To compare prices, and perhaps peoples Pro's and Con's of each.

So to make it short.
Where do people go for the Cheapest TR for jets ?
Where do you get most hours for the money ?
Which places would you suggest that people stay away from ?

Hope for alot of feedback, so we can compare prices. So far i have Eaglejet as prefered, but recently people have told me, that there are alot cheaper options. Howeverr i have still to find a good price.

D.W.

HSBC and type ratings
 

2 questions regarding my situation really. Don't know if anyone can help as after numerous searches on the Prof Studies Loan that HSBC offer, its clear that a CPL is an accepted program of study but what about a type rating?
With a good/high chance of employment with an airline I've been in contact with, I'm trying to approach HSBC for an unsecured 20K loan.


1. Now would a type rating come under a "Professional Studies Loan" or would I be looking at just a normal loan?

2. If I mention I got through my modular frozen ATPL without any loans/bank assistance, what would you say my chances for 20K unsecured and to a 19 year old without a degree?


Would appreciate anyones thoughts, doesn't have to be much!

tom

dont do it!

If you hang on in there for a yr or two, u will get there and u will not have to pay for a loan for a type rating.

I was in the same boat as you a few months ago, all i can say is im glad i didnt gamble - i have now got a job with a good airline

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for self funding type ratings.

I am however curious as to whether HSBC consider it as Professional Studies Loan or not.

I was approved (but didn't use) one for ATPL, the bank manager said that these loans are considered on an individual basis, i.e. a computer doesn't make a blind decision. You'd need to prove your financial history, a viable future and basically convince the bank they'll get their money back.

I've also heard comment on pprune that because it's decided on an indivdual basis, some bank branches seem to say yes more readily?! Search previous threads for HSBC, loads should come up.

F

Private Type Rating - The way forward?
 

Hi Everybody!

I just started to upgrade from Sailplanes to the Frozen ATPL. I am at a fairly early stage (Doing the JAR PPL).
The big question, though, is: Do I pay for a type rating or not?
What are the chances of getting a frozen ATPL in the minimum time and then getting a type rating paid for?
Furthermore, I read an article in "today's pilot" (by no less than the founder of PPRUNE) that suggests a type rating on a turboprop type may be more appropriate and cheaper. How much cheaper?

I dont want to sound as if I am being tight (although I dont have much money :{ ) - I am quite prepared to go the extra couple of miles if that is what it takes. But I just want to know - how neccessary is it??

Any advice appreciated!

Cheers guys!

Suggest you do a search there are lots of threads on this. General perception is that it just erodes T&Cs etc but make your own decision.
This thread is the biggest :
I will not pay for a Type Rating

Cheers
 

Thanks for that - been looking at the loan stuff too - think I'll take a bit longer and reduce the risk!

Tax back for self funded type-rating
 

Hi all,
Apologies if this has been asked before but has anyone ever suceeded in getting a tax concession on their training?

Im thinking specifically of the current model in the market today where a newly qualified pilot more or less has to pay for a type rating to get that first job.

Could She/He claim tax back on this and has anyone done it successfully before?

T.

I don't know about type ratings but I asked customs and excise about reclaiming VAT on my CPL/IR to no avail.

I think it's a bloody disgrace that we have to pay tax on training for professional qualifications. Is it just us or does anyone know of any other professions where this happens?

The tax (VAT/TVA etc.) rule applies to the company providing a service and not the individual paying for training.
The service provider is bound by law, if applicable in that country, to charge VAT/TVA etc. in the country that the service is provided and only if the payer of the service is a VAT/TVA etc. registered company may that VAT/TVA etc. be reclaimed.

Bugger :{

Maybe when things get bad regarding this much hyped pilot shortage in the future (yeah right !!) the government might review it to encourage more applicants.

Ok thats a bit of an Xmas wish I know.... :ouch:

There is something in the latest VAT circular about the VAT treatment of Distance Learning Courses (although reading it again, having fished it out of the bin, I can't see anything that is 'informative' within it). All their publications are on www.hmce.gov.uk

You can reclaim membership fees againt your tax code, but these will be low compared to the cost of the training (and may not be approved anyway).

I guess Mr B is assuming everybody is getting career development loans and paying with this, so paying tax once only as VAT ???

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Yep, I am the same. Unfortunately I am in one of those professions where I have to put myself on courses all the time to keep up with current requirements and legislation.

Unless you have worked as an employee for a company who have put you through the courses already then you are stuck with paying for them yourself as no new employer will take you on if you dont possess the qualifications they require.

The qualifications are also specific to the industry and so the trainers milk it for all they can - I spent £2500 to sit in a classroom for a week to listen to a guy warble on. Not bad for him when you consider there were about 15 of us!!!

I am set up now as a Ltd company (very Limited as only me :D) so I am able to claim back the VAT. Unfortunately tried the same thing with the flying training but as my company does not supply any services to do with flying and shows no income from from it the account said no go! Oh well you have to try dont you :}

Julian.

In the UK, if you pay an airline for your own training you will find that the company will have claimed the tax back at the full corporate tax rate - even though the cash comes from you! So when these companys make you cough up the full cost of the type rating, they are actually making money from you.

Roll on the day when these scams are finished for good, AND DON'T PAY FOR YOUR OWN RATING.