Stealth,
Could you give me all the information you have about the 737 type with Yugoslav.
And a contact number if you have it.
Thanks in advance.
MF45

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Stealth, looks like you've started a trend here.

Could you do the same for me and let me know about the course you are doing...
email me - [email protected]

As for the question the original poster asked - perhaps if paying for a type rating manages to get you a job it's a better risk than two years of trying to hourbuild as an instructor in the UK weather. Given the last 18 months I'm amazed I can still pay the mortagage..
Loss of income from a wellpaid job must be factored in as a cost too. If paying for a type rating can help you get a job without 1-2 years instructing then perhaps the risk is worth it.

Just had a look at a 1997 copy of a flying mag and at the back theres is a mention of THE ATP ACADEMY, B737 / 757 A320/A321 type ratings. Anyone know if they're still operating?

Cheers,
Turbsy

Non-Jar airline training presents a problem unless the training Captain holds a JAR licence. I'm not an expert in this, but I recommend you look into it closely before committing. Regards

Thanks for the advice mate, at the moment I'm only looking into it.

All the best,
Turbsy

BA Cadets Type Rating Course
 

Over the next 4 years, is the Airbus 319/320 the only shorthaul fleet a cadet can choose to start on, or are there still courses on the 757?

The 757 fleet is reducing in size, thus plans are for 737 and Airbus courses only, though even 737 is being slowly faded out. You never know though..

How come?

No plans as yet to replace Gatwick 737s.

You never can tell with BA. When I joined the airline I was asked which fleet I would prefer. The 757 was one of the fleets offered, so it was one of my first choices. At this point the 737 at LHR wasn't even a twinkle in Bob's eye. A while later the letter arrived saying congratulations you'll be going to LHR ... on the 737.Everyone I spoke to said I was going mad (been happening for a while now) and that there was no 73 fleet at LHR.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, it seems they had announced the reduction of the 757 fleet and advised pilots to bid for a fleet move unless they didn't mind being frozen on the fleet till it was closed. Weeks later, after the more senior flight crew jumped to other fleets, they announced they would be keeping the 757s for a bit longer after all. Most of the next 50 CEPs to join BA went to the 757. I bump into them from time to time at the Compass centre and they say 'Hi where are you going?' I say 'Aberdeen ... again' and they say 'Aw never mind. I'm off to Nassau.'

At the moment you can expect A319/320 (LHR and BHX), or B737 (LHR, LGW and possibly MAN). Just remember the plan may be different tommorrow.

Self Sponsored Type Training
 

I have recently recieved a phonecall from a TRTO offering their course on the S360. I finished my ATPL course about 2 months ago now and have been thinking about it for a while although I suspect that it sounds to good to be true. They say that they only recruit from the pool of pilots that they train. According to them, of the 35 people they trained last year something like 32 later got jobs either with them or with other airlines that use the a/c. My question is do you think it is worth the gamble to get that first job or do you think I should spend my money on an Instructors course as previously planned. I have been sending CVs, making phonecalls etc but so far have got nowhere other than the usual "dear john" letters. I have to admit its pretty tempting. Has anybody else funded their own type rating? Am I mad for even considering it?

Everything I've ever read or anyone I've ever listened to says "...DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!!"

Be very careful.Are they offering a job if you do their Type Rating?The advice from the last wannabe`s seminar was that a type rating was only any good with some time on type.Just a type rating on it`s own wasn`t worth much.
Ask this training organisation if it is willing to supply contact details for past students.You may be able to find out if they really did help them get a job.IMHO I would do the Instructor rating and build from there,unless they are saying "Here is a guarenteed job,but you pay towards the type rating."Not ideal I know but a foot in the door.
Good Luck which ever you decide.

They told me that there is no guarantee of a job, but they have fixed me up with a jump seat ride with one of the first officers that came out of the course six months ago. They tell me that there will be positions for first officers in the coming months as they have got a new contract next year and are getting a new aircraft for it. I agree with the ususal argument that it isn't worth getting say a 737 type rating as no airline in their right mind is gonna take you on with say one hour on type. This one seems a little different though cos as well as being a TRTO they are also a well established cargo operator.
I guess I'll have to wait and see what they tell me after the jump seat ride.

Hmmmm... a self-sponsored TR on the SD360.... smells like BAC Express, my friends. They "offer" ( :D) this course for £10,500 + VAT. & if U have even more money to throw away, U can also pay for the F27 course @ £13,000 + VAT ( :D :D ). A BIG JOKE, that's what it is. Another way to steal money from students' pockets... or @ least from those who still have some !

As it's been said many many many many times on this forum, DON'T pay for a TR unless U have a bunch of hours (say 500 or more) in the relevant a/c. It won't help U get a job, it will just enable the TRTO people to increase their income.

MF

Don't ever pay for a type rating. I did a few years ago and was promised a job that at the end of the rating (it took 11 months!)didn't happen. Reason being the company had changed their plans. I then took on a job with another carrier on a different type (rating paid by company) and after 6 months with them was called by the first airline but they offered me peanuts.
To this day I have my self-sponsored rating but have never really used it and therefore threw money down the drain.
I know it's tempting when you get promised a job on an A320 subject to having the rating but be patient and persevere because there is someone out there ready to pay for your type rating and give you a job.
The only form of self-sponsorship I feel I can reccommend is that offered by the ATP Academy in Southamton-UK. Once you've got a rating with them you will almost certainly get you a job.

Is the company in question based in the South of England offering course on the Shorts360, without a job. However, they keep on bombarding your with phone calls and letters about their training courses?

If so, I got the same treatment. Im not interested in self sponsoring for a type rating especially if there is no job at the end of it, even if the company is rather STREAMLINED.

Can anyone tell me which companies offer sponsorship for type ratings? And how do they get their money back? Also, if you are lucky enough to be sponsored through a type rating with a view to employment after it, do you get paid during yourtraining? Thanx

Diff Ident

Mostly companies will pay for your type rating and pay you while you train if they are taking you on as an employee, contract or otherwise. They get their money back by bonding you - varies between 3 and 5 years to my knowledge. They make you repay a percentage of a nominal training cost if you leave within the specified time.

It can be a reasonable way of getting a type rating - but be aware that the cost can be very high if you leave with a large percentage of bond owing.

Obi Wan Kirk,

off topic I know, but I notice you reside in Bergamo. I spent the most wonderful week in Bergamo about 5 years ago. Dinner in the square and walking around the old town was quite majestic.

Does that mean you fly from the Milan airports?

Sorry to ramble on, but no E-Mail address available. Guess I was reminiscing....

You got it HS! Wow I fall for these things everytime. I reckon if I hadn't got some opinions first I probably would have gone for it! As a matter of fact I'm now thinking of getting a citation type rating in Finland!(joke)

Cheers Folks your views are much appreciated.

I also have had offers from streamline re s360 type rating for around £6000 but with no guaranntee of a job.

A lot of money for a type rating on an aging aircraft which is disapearing from uk fleets, it could be an expensive mistake.

DO NOT PAY FOR A TYPE RATING WHATEVER THE TEMPTING SALESMAN MAY SAY. PAY FOR AN INSTRUCTORS COURSE INSTEAD. DO NOT PAY FOR A TYPE RATING!!!!!! :eek: :mad: :eek:

For me paying for a type worked out perfectly. It was paid off after the first 2 weeks flying. This was a B727 training obtained in US and getting the training was precondition for being hired.

Anyways. Financially I cannot see why anyone in their right mind would put 13000 sterling into a type only to make 400 a month. Takes a while to pay that off.
As long as there are jobs around where you are given the traning try to go for something like that.

Time in type requirments are not always required, that is if you have sort of hours that would otherwise make you suitable. Say 1000 hours in a B727 and you get a B737 type. Well some would say that you are quite qualified to be hired even without time in type.

A type rating is useless (and risky business) if you don't have experience on type.

OK, I agree with that... But then how do you log time on type BEFORE the type rating ?
:D :D :D

With FAA only P1 qualified has a type rating on licence instead you complete a SIC program and get your training records and all that pretty paperwork to show compliance. But will not have a type on your licence unless you have completed a PIC proficiency check and approved training program.
That is how I got time in type before I had the type on my ATP licence.

FAA is in many aspects than one very easy licence to keep current amongs others and all the types will be on your piece of paper, regardless if you are current on it or not.

FYI

There seems to be a bit of bad rep' about the sd360/330 type ratings from what is obviously Streamline, as they are the only guys doing this type rating in the UK.

I work for the company, yes they charge 7 grand, but that is due to the lovely CAA, it used to be 4 grand a couple of years ago. 3 hours flying to aound 7-8 hours nowadays. That explains the cost.

Of course you're not guaranteed a job, THANK GOD, that would mean every muppet who came along with the money would have a job. It is done on performance on the initial base check and your experience, but we have taken on people with 200 hours. And if you don't get in with us, you are highly likely to get in with some one else who flies sheds eg: BAC and LoganAir. Didn't Emerald advertise for Shed pilots in Flight International recently?

Sounds like I'm trying to sell the course, but no, you need to decide whether you are going to fork out for a more expensive rating eg 737 etc, go instructing, or hang around hoping for the successful interview.

I've certainly enjoyed the past couple of years flying the shed doing 700 hours/year. Coming up to command soon.

Anyone out there done the shed rating in the past 4 months still without a job??

later

smellster

GECAT self sponsored type rating
 

...got the blue book, might win the lottery on saturday, and then.....type rating on a 737, thank you very much. What are the experts going to say...? :confused:

...smellster, what's the difference between a 330 and a 360 rating. Can I ask you, why you think BAC is about 3 grand dearer?

...is there anybody else who has done a 330/360 rating? :)

A good mate of mine did his rating with streamline about 2-3 months ago, yesterday he got a job with them. Personally I'm about to go and do the course, after having instucted for the past 9 months I'm fed up waiting for something to happen. So at least this is a step in the right direction even if it is an expensive one.

Magenta,

There is absolutely no difference between a 330 and 360 rating, they are one and the same. Even if you do all your type rating on the sd-330, you will have sd-330/sd-360 stamped in your licence.

I have no idea why BAC are 3 grand more expensive, I didn't even know they were a TRTO for the shed. Perhaps they want to make a bit of money out of you wannabees?

By the way in my previous posting no offence was intended to Muppet who posted before me!!

Homer Simpson:
'Is the company in question based in the South of England offering course on the Shorts360, without a job. However, they keep on bombarding your with phone calls and letters about their training courses?
If so, I got the same treatment. Im not interested in self sponsoring for a type rating especially if there is no job at the end of it, even if the company is rather STREAMLINED'

What a load of rubbish, there is no-one in Streamline who would 'bombard' you with letters and phone calls to do their training course, quite simply because there is no-one with enough time on their hands.

smellster

[ 22 August 2001: Message edited by: smellster ]

So 2 phone calls and 6 letters from the same company doesn't constitute someone wanting me to do the course. Hmmmmmm, let me think about this!

Hi,

Can someone email me the web address or phone number of streamline?

LoonyP

TYPE RATING CONVERSION QUESTION
 

I am type rated on the 777 on my european licence. I was wondering what was required to get the type rating endorsed in my FAA ATP. Any suggestions?

3000£ avaiable: FI or type rating?
 

Hi,
being at the end of my cpl/ir course I'm wondering what to do to try to (get a job or) at least keep current during this hard times. Here in italy with approx 3000£ I can choose between a vfr fi rating and then do few vfr fi hrs per month and if lucky some ifr safety pilot hrs just to keep current, or a c500 type rating and then try to beg a coupple of hours per month in some air taxi operations both with peanuts pay or without at all. A type rating would also be usefull because almost all airlines here require you to have at least one type rating (whatever the a/c) to hire you.
any advice?
thanx

[ 30 September 2001: Message edited by: pinguino ]

Hmmm, tough one but I would go for the type rating, if, as you said, the airlines and operators want at least one type rating.

Buon Fortuna mio amico :)

A tough decision indeed. Don't know the score in Italy but for what it's worth.....

If you think long term, an FI rating will accomplish at least two things - It'll teach you how to fly and it'll stop you being scared and making an unecessary fuss when flying bigger & better(?) things.

I know what I'd do, a type rating without line training or experience ain't worth jack.

Best of luck!!

Are you sure that you can do a JAA C500 type rating course for UK3000 ?? If so, where?

Thanks.

Mutt.

I also know nothing of the situation in Italy, but a few hours on a small bizjet is not going to impress anybody anywhere else. If you've just qualified, you need hours.

Dear Pinguino,

I'd be very careful about going for a C500 Type rating in Italy. The Air Taxi operators that "sell" this deal are only after your money, you won't learn anything.

I saw an ad in Flight about A320 ratings with a school in Paris, after the sim you go off to Germany for base and line training. Once you've done the rating you could probably get a job with Volare and you won't be bonded by them. Next step would be clock up to 1500 hrs, get your ATPL and then head off to a carrier that pays better as £1.8m lira per month is a poor salary for an FO on a A320.

If you don't have the kind of money for the A320 how about doing some sim time at Oxford Air Training School. That would be good value for money, then hope someone like Alpi Eagles or Neus come along and pay for your Type rating.

Good Luck!

thank you every one for the usefull answers!
mutt
yes here you can do an italianc500 t/r for about 15million lira and it usually consists in some ground school and 3 hours of traffic pattern so...
Obi Wan Kirk
...are you sure volare is willing to take me with approx 300hrsTT only because I'm t/r?
if not what to do next? with 70m I can live for a year without job if I use that for t/r and then get no job what?