hour building after atpl
 

hi all, hope you all had a good christmas. now the brown nosing is over down to my query. i am starting my atpl in february and hope to come out in late '04 with my atpl. but was wondering what i can do after this. i have been told that i have to have a certain amount of hours before an airline will look at me, so my ideas so far have been taking parachutists up in oz or banner flying in spain. what are my best options and if anyone out there has any experience then id appreciate hearing about it. thanks all, kebabman

sky diver, i did that. no bad at all.
I did flight instructor and u can do traffic watch.
or share a plane with a friend in the US and log time.
if you look around, u will find some good deals to log time.

good luck to u.

Cheers, a friend has informed me about somewhere in south africa that i should be able to get work, and also in oz. Can I go straight into banner-towing or taking sky divers up etc after my atpl course? From what I understand I come out with a frozen atpl, how many hours do i need to get noticed by an airline and my atpl unfrozen? any advice would be great, cheers

Once you have passed all the ATPL exams it is time for your CPL flight training,25-30 hours in a complex aircraft covering all you did in your PPL and a little more.
After the flight test if you have i think 200 hrs + you will be issued a JAA CPL.
Then you can start flying for REWARD !!!
Get a "GOOD" FI course and even in one good summer you will not only rack up some valuable hours but more importantly start to mature as a new CPL pilot.
It's hard to appreciate how much extra you learn about flying and yourself.

this will probably seem really stupid, but whats an FI? do you think i should push hard for an airline job after this then? or build up hours doing something smaller?

Blimey kebabman ! if you have come this far and cannot even hazard a guess at what FI means, could be very telling when considering flying for your living :o

(F)lying (I)nstructor

Ok, silly question time...
 

Sorry to hijack your thread Mr.Shish but...

Is is possible to build hours on your PPL in exchange for dropping parachutists, crop spraying, banner towing etc - or must you have CPL? Or do the hours between PPL (45) and 200 have to be 'bought'?

:confused:

as long as you are not paid, yes u can drop sky diver with a PPL.
you can even fly your privat a b747-400 with a multiengine privat license.

Thanks Superpilot, I'll try now and get some contacts in Oz/NZ to do this - indeed if anyone knows anybody......:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Cheers:D

Para ops or meat bombing as it is affectionately known in Oz is a fairly popular way of gaining those first couple of hundred hours.
You need a CPL unfortunately there are many unscupulous commercial para operations that don't pay or underpay.
To convert a JAR CPL or fATPL to an Oz CPL isn't too difficult or costly. Unfortunately the hardest part will be getting the right to work visa.
Best check the
CASA website for more info re the lic.
Check the Immigration to Oz website. Has all sorts of info on visa's etc.

Parachute Jumping!!
 

I don't want to pop your balloon, But for sure, you will have very little hope of getting work in Australia! I Initially trained in Sydney: Far to many pilots and little job prospects for low or no hour guys and girls.

You would be better off looking at some where like Canada.

the kebabman - I suggest that you obtain a copy of the current edition of LASORS in order to research what the privileges of various licences and ratings are. It is now a requirement that all licence 'applicants' should know what their licence entitles them to do - and how to find out the answer.

Once you've passed your ATPL(A) exams, they have a limited period of validity within which you must take the CPL(A) Skill Test - and once you've done that, you must pass your IR to keep your ATPL knowledge valid - and that also has a limited period unless you revalidate your IR. To 'unfreeze' your ATPL you will need, amongst other things, 500 hours as the flight crew member of a multi-crew aeroplane..........

At present in the UK there are quite a few FI(R)s chasing not a lot of FI jobs - there is little throughput of pilots to the airlines at present, so things are unlikely to pick up that soon. If you don't achieve 100 hours flight instruction towards a licence in the 3 years of your rating validity (of which 30 must be in the final year), you'll then need to do both a revalidation FI proficiency check (£190 plus 1-2 hours hire) and attend a revalidation seminar (2 days, £250-ish plus accommodation....). But if you do make the 100/30, then you can choose either the proficiency check or the seminar - at the moment. However, mandatory proficiency checks every other revalidation will soon become compulsory...........