FTEJerez expansion into the UK
FTE have posted on LinkedIn that they are advertising for a CFI for a proposed UK operation.
An interesting move that they see the benefit of UK weather resulting in a more ‘rounded graduate’ |
Originally Posted by uncle dickie
(Post 11603623)
An interesting move that they see the benefit of UK weather resulting in a more ‘rounded graduate’
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Originally Posted by LandingGear60
(Post 11603628)
Is there a reference that they’ve said this? Or is that just your opinion?
Finding suitably qualified instructors may also be a factor. No doubt a business feasibility study will have been conducted either to ‘go it alone’ or a joint venture with an existing training provider. In Scotland both DND & PIK might be of interest..? |
Originally Posted by uncle dickie
(Post 11603638)
As FTEJerez are already approved by the UK CAA to conduct courses in Jerez, then UK weather must be a consideration.
Finding suitably qualified instructors may also be a factor. No doubt a business feasibility study will have been conducted either to ‘go it alone’ or a joint venture with an existing training provider. In Scotland both DND & PIK might be of interest..? If you’ve made it up please just say, more helpful for people trying to make informed decisions |
Originally Posted by VariablePitchP
(Post 11603657)
:O
If you’ve made it up please just say, more helpful for people trying to make informed decisions As the project is clearly at the genesis stage, pprune is a vehicle to discuss possible options? |
Originally Posted by uncle dickie
(Post 11603638)
As FTEJerez are already approved by the UK CAA to conduct courses in Jerez, then UK weather must be a consideration.
Finding suitably qualified instructors may also be a factor. No doubt a business feasibility study will have been conducted either to ‘go it alone’ or a joint venture with an existing training provider. In Scotland both DND & PIK might be of interest..? |
Originally Posted by pcnut
(Post 11603702)
….the UK IR familiarisation flights and skill test must be taken in UK airspace as per the regulations…..
Those EASA Spanish students were tested by authorised FTEJerez staff examiners. As FTEJerez have both EASA & UK CAA approvals no UK base exists or was necessary. Discussing the merits of Spanish v. UK weather conditions are to some extent not an issue as the MCC/APS course provides various weather scenarios which more than makes up for a fair weather base. |
Originally Posted by parkfell
(Post 11603755)
Unless the regulations have very recently changed, the UK CAA deployed an examiner to Jerez to conduct the initial UK IRST.
Those EASA Spanish students were tested by authorised FTEJerez staff examiners. As FTEJerez have both EASA & UK CAA approvals no UK base exists or was necessary. Discussing the merits of Spanish v. UK weather conditions are to some extent not an issue as the MCC/APS course provides various weather scenarios which more than makes up for a fair weather base. |
Originally Posted by pcnut
(Post 11603761)
The regulations have indeed changed. For EITHER a UK or EASA initial IR skill test, familiarisation flying and the test itself must be flown in the relevant airspace - EASA for an EASA IR, UK for UK IR.
Presumably the MPL route for UK issue is not affected by this issue. |
Only an initial IR ST so the MPL doesn't have the same requirements. EASA and UK now treat each other as third countries as far as the IR initial.
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For EITHER a UK or EASA initial IR skill test, familiarisation flying and the test itself must be flown in the relevant airspace - EASA for an EASA IR, UK for UK IR. |
Originally Posted by Alex Whittingham
(Post 11604168)
I think this only applies to ATOs approved out of theatre. For instance, a US-based ATO training for the EASA licence has to include famil flying and IR test in EASA airspace whereas an EASA-based ATO can conduct the test in non-EASA airspace if it wishes.
For reference, regarding third countries: ORA.ATO.150 Training in third countries When the ATO is approved to provide training for the instrument rating (IR) in third countries: (a) the training programme shall include acclimatisation flying in one of the Member States before the IR skill test is taken; and (b) the IR skill test shall be taken in one of the Member States. This is adopted in UK law with "member states" replaced by "UK". |
Thank you, that is the reg. The requirement to take the IR skill test in one of the member States only applies when the ATO is approved to provide training ... in third countries. Of course there's very little reason for any EASA-based ATO to conduct the test in non-EASA airspace but you could imagine it... maybe a Cypriot ATO testing a route into Beirut or similar?
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If you ask the authorities, they all say the IR must be flown in EASA airspace - even if you're based in a member state it's still compulsory.
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FTE expansion into the UK
FTE already send Their students studying for the the UK CPL IR - Frozen ATPL integrated course to a UK ATO to carry out the IR familiarisation training and IRST. With the imminent demise of Leading Edge (well let’s face it, how can they survive much longer?), and the uncertainty over L3, it makes perfect sense that a financially stable well established ATO explores expansion into the UK. At least their students will be better catered for than the charlatans previously mentioned!!
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In Scotland both DND & PIK might be of interest..? I visited FTE when they were still BAe Flight Training in Jerez. It was in February and all the aircraft had frost on their wings. They had to wait until the sun melted it off as they had left all their de-icing equipment in Prestwick when they moved down to Jerez. They had not thought they would ever need it again! |
Originally Posted by Opsdog
(Post 11607879)
FTE already send Their students studying for the the UK CPL IR - Frozen ATPL integrated course to a UK ATO to carry out the IR familiarisation training and IRST. With the imminent demise of Leading Edge (well let’s face it, how can they survive much longer?), and the uncertainty over L3, it makes perfect sense that a financially stable well established ATO explores expansion into the UK. At least their students will be better catered for than the charlatans previously mentioned!!
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They send their students to Euro Flight Training.
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Originally Posted by HypoxicWaiter
(Post 11608907)
They send their students to Euro Flight Training.
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