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PPRuNeUser0195 17th Sep 2023 06:38


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11503973)
You just have to ask for it, that why they call it a loan. Anyone with a decent credit history can get £30k from the banks very easily. Especially if you apply for multiple smaller loans or cards the same day.


Im aware of how a loan works. A £30k loan isn’t an option for some people, regardless of how you take it out.

rudestuff 17th Sep 2023 15:00


Originally Posted by Aj2017 (Post 11503995)
Im aware of how a loan works. A £30k loan isn’t an option for some people, regardless of how you take it out.

Fair enough. We all make mistakes and it takes at least 6 years to clean up a dirty credit history, at least it did for me. There may be a few outliers, but for 99% of people who are condsidering modulat training debt is an option.

rudestuff 17th Sep 2023 15:03


Originally Posted by VariablePitchP (Post 11503987)
And if it was just £30K to train then we wouldn’t need cadet schemes.

The reality is to go from nothing to employment in the RHS of a commercial aircraft you’re, realistically, looking at close to triple that.

And this is why pilots need maths. There is no reason to be spending much more than £45k total on flight training, even at UK prices. £90k for modular? That would average £450 per flight hour!

VariablePitchP 17th Sep 2023 15:05


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11504232)
And this is why pilots need maths. There is no reason to be spending much more than £45k total on flight training, even at UK prices. £90k for modular? That would average £450 per flight hour!

Type rating, accommodation, the plethora of acronym based courses that come at the end of training. That’s the reality, unless you get one of these golden tickets.

Planner01 18th Sep 2023 09:18


Originally Posted by rudestuff (Post 11504232)
And this is why pilots need maths. There is no reason to be spending much more than £45k total on flight training, even at UK prices. £90k for modular? That would average £450 per flight hour!

Have you done recent research at all? The flying hours are only one portion of the costs.
£45k would just about cover CPL ME/IR and APS MCC if you can do both in minimum hours.

- Flying hours. £450+ per hour is the going rate in a twin engine. About £200 per hour PPL instruction.
- Exam costs
- Landing fees
- Fuel surcharges
- Examiner fees. The IR skills test with examiner and aircraft costs will be £1500 a go.
- Licence fees
- Equipment
- Medicals and any further investigation work needed
- ATPL Theory course fees

Right now in the UK from zero to CPL ME/IR APS MCC UPRT in minimum hours required you're looking at £70-80k. 5 years ago £45k was do able, especially pre-Brexit when you could run over to Poland. Even a PPL in a C152 will run £12k now all in with min hours.

Nino24 18th Sep 2023 10:50

Hi Guys,

Did BA say straight after the online application process, a online test will be sent out?

fredddyfred 18th Sep 2023 13:23


Originally Posted by Nino24 (Post 11504597)
Hi Guys,

Did BA say straight after the online application process, a online test will be sent out?

It seems like the maths, checking test will be done during the online application from what I heard?
They're having another Q&A session at 4pm UK time today. Will tune in to find out if they specified anything else

icedchailatte 18th Sep 2023 14:47

Hey guys I was wondering if weight can affect your initial class one?

PPRuNeUser0195 18th Sep 2023 16:15


Originally Posted by icedchailatte (Post 11504767)
Hey guys I was wondering if weight can affect your initial class one?

It depends on your BMI, guidance is available here. I would always advocate getting at least a class 1 if you have an interest in flying commercially, it’ll highlight any potential issues early on and give you a chance to sort them.

https://www.caa.co.uk/media/pt5l3li3/obesity-fc.pdf

CaptN 18th Sep 2023 16:36

A few things from today's Q&A session:

- ​​Srictly 6 GCSEs or equivalent qualifications, nothing higher will be accepted ie if you had 5 GCSEs with no maths but had maths A-Level you won't be considered.

- Contractual bond for seven years.

- Applications must be completed by the end of the 25th.

- If you don't already have a Class 1 medical BA will fund it if you are successful.

- No deferred places.

- They are planning to reopen the scheme again in March 2024.

- Number of openings: 70.

- The course is for a full ATPL and not an MPL.

icedchailatte 18th Sep 2023 16:43


Originally Posted by Aj2017 (Post 11504813)
It depends on your BMI, guidance is available here. I would always advocate getting at least a class 1 if you have an interest in flying commercially, it’ll highlight any potential issues early on and give you a chance to sort them.

https://www.caa.co.uk/media/pt5l3li3/obesity-fc.pdf

Ok thankyou! Am i correct to say that if the BMI is lower than 32.5 you won’t have any issues?

gcn29 18th Sep 2023 17:08

Anyone know when exactly it opens? Like it is midnight or 8am tomorrow?

PPRuNeUser0195 18th Sep 2023 18:32


Originally Posted by icedchailatte (Post 11504827)
Ok thankyou! Am i correct to say that if the BMI is lower than 32.5 you won’t have any issues?

I would think so, but I’m not an AME so I can’t answer for definite. If you’re in any doubt then getting a class 1 will answer it for you.

Peter Ahonsi 18th Sep 2023 19:08

Maths A level
 
Sorry but, how can you do A Level maths with no GCSE

QUOTE=CaptN;11504823]A few things from today's Q&A session:

- ​​Srictly 6 GCSEs or equivalent qualifications, nothing higher will be accepted ie if you had 5 GCSEs with no maths but had maths A-Level you won't be considered.

- Contractual bond for seven years.

- Applications must be completed by the end of the 25th.

- If you don't already have a Class 1 medical BA will fund it if you are successful.

- No deferred places.

- They are planning to reopen the scheme again in March 2024.

- Number of openings: 70.

- The course is for a full ATPL and not an MPL.[/QUOTE]

PPRuNeUser0203 18th Sep 2023 19:37


Originally Posted by CaptN (Post 11504823)
A few things from today's Q&A session:

- ​​Srictly 6 GCSEs or equivalent qualifications, nothing higher will be accepted ie if you had 5 GCSEs with no maths but had maths A-Level you won't be considered.

- Contractual bond for seven years.

- Applications must be completed by the end of the 25th.

- If you don't already have a Class 1 medical BA will fund it if you are successful.

- No deferred places.

- They are planning to reopen the scheme again in March 2024.

- Number of openings: 70.

- The course is for a full ATPL and not an MPL.

Surely you don’t mean they’re excluding anyone with A levels or degree qualifications?

Peter Ahonsi 18th Sep 2023 19:45

I hope not
 

Originally Posted by Terrence Trent Derby (Post 11504896)
Surely you don’t mean they’re excluding anyone with A levels or degree qualifications?

I hope not 😩, because I’ve got a BSc and MSc. I wasn’t able to attend the Live today which is a shame, so many questions !

CaptN 19th Sep 2023 03:58


Originally Posted by Terrence Trent Derby (Post 11504896)
Surely you don’t mean they’re excluding anyone with A levels or degree qualifications?

No, not at all I'm sure they'll view applicants with A-Levels and degrees favourably! However, they said you must have 6 GCSEs, so if you have those in addition to further/higher qualifications you should be good to go :)

CaptN 19th Sep 2023 04:07


Originally Posted by Peter Ahonsi (Post 11504898)
I hope not 😩, because I’ve got a BSc and MSc. I wasn’t able to attend the Live today which is a shame, so many questions !

Apologies, I worded it quite badly in hindsight, degrees and A-Levels are fine, just that you must have 6 GCSEs in addition ie if you had 5 A*/9 grade GCSEs and a 1st in Aeronautical Engineering from Oxbridge you wouldn't meet the requirements as it's a strict on the 6 GCSEs (or accepted equivalents).

VariablePitchP 19th Sep 2023 06:12


Originally Posted by CaptN (Post 11505018)
Apologies, I worded it quite badly in hindsight, degrees and A-Levels are fine, just that you must have 6 GCSEs in addition ie if you had 5 A*/9 grade GCSEs and a 1st in Aeronautical Engineering from Oxbridge you wouldn't meet the requirements as it's a strict on the 6 GCSEs (or accepted equivalents).

Clearly you wouldn’t have a 1st in Aero Eng from Oxbridge if you’d done your GCSEs that badly.

Or if somehow you did, you’re smart enough to fire out a GCSE in 5 minutes and apply next time.

CaptN 19th Sep 2023 07:23


Originally Posted by Peter Ahonsi (Post 11504889)
Sorry but, how can you do A Level maths with no GCSE

QUOTE=CaptN;11504823]A few things from today's Q&A session:

- ​​Srictly 6 GCSEs or equivalent qualifications, nothing higher will be accepted ie if you had 5 GCSEs with no maths but had maths A-Level you won't be considered.

- Contractual bond for seven years.

- Applications must be completed by the end of the 25th.

- If you don't already have a Class 1 medical BA will fund it if you are successful.

- No deferred places.

- They are planning to reopen the scheme again in March 2024.

- Number of openings: 70.

- The course is for a full ATPL and not an MPL.

[/QUOTE]

You could self-study and take the exam as a private candidate... :)


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