EASA Base Training
 

Hi guys,
My partner and I and doing a type rating on the B737ng without base training provided. We have EASA licenses so we need to find a place to do base training. Are there any schools/companies out there that offer base training that doesn't cost a fortune?
Thanks for the help,

Hi, have you managed to figure it out? trying to get in touch with you but your inbox is full :/

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Neither of you have a posting history so you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls. Original poster can contact you as you have your email available for contact.

Where did you manage to get your B737NG base training with ?
You can PM me if you prefer

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Hasn't been on the site since December 2021 and still can't do PM's.

Just bringing this thread back to life to see if there's any update on this.

Your employer should give you base training if it's needed.

If one were to not have an employer, are there any ATOs that provide base training?

Why would you pay for your own base training? A type rating even with base training is practically worthless without hours on type. 500 is the bare minimum but I'd argue that you don't become proficient on an airframe until your 4th/5th recurrent sim.

You make excellent points, but none of them pertain to the question that I asked or are useful to me, I would love to hear more IF it answers my previous question. All the best :)

If there's one thing that I noticed very early when reading through this forum, it's that there is a wealth of experience from pilots who have been pilots for many many years, and who know far more about the industry than you or I as trainee pilots.
I know nothing of rudestuff's background but from a cursory glance at their profile they have a whole lot more insight than we do. If you're being told by a pilot that base training is worthless, the only reasonable/decent thing to do in order that an answer to your question follows, is to explain why getting base training would be worth it to you.

Your attitude at the moment sounds like a patient walking into a doctor's office to ask "How long will these antibiotics take to cure me if I buy them?", being told "You have a viral infection, they will do nothing for you", and the patient replying "That doesn't pertain to my question and I am buying my antibiotics, please only talk to me IF it answers my question". Don't be that kind of patient, or forum user.

Can we sticky this response?

:D

The number of posts on here of “where can I pay for my type rating…. Where can I pay for my line training…. “ is ridiculous, all you are doing is destroying the terms and conditions for others and yourselves. It’s a poor reflection of the industry that these practices exist, sure, but it’s not exactly a great reflection on pilots either. If you really must pay, go to RYR, get good training and a semi reasonable wage and roster at the end of it; paying for just a TR is worse than useless.

To everyone who automatically assumes that I am ignorant and incapable of listening to reason, I hope you all understand that I value everyone's input.

As it stands, I am not in a position where I need to consider base training and looking for a discussion. Rather, I find myself in a difficult position of requiring base training and was hoping to turn to my colleagues for assistance.

When it comes to the discussion of "Why don't you just go to RYR", it is easy to make assumptions, but not everyone has the unrestricted right to live/work in the EU/UK.

I welcome anyone else to join the conversation and let me know that I'm shortsighted, unappreciative, and ruining the industry for everyone else by self-sponsoring my training. Nevertheless, I kindly ask again for any tips or recommendations for operators that can arrange base training in the EU.

Best,
PaC

Needs to be EU base training but you can’t work in the EU? Eh?

What licence have you got, what type rating have you actually got, etc etc.

And have you actually just paid for a rating without even a hint of a plan about what you’d do with it afterwards? :eek:

It can be frustrating when people fail to understand the various challenges and constraints that others may be facing. Some individuals may question the motives behind pursuing a type rating or base training, without realizing that not everyone has the privilege of living or working in the EU or holding an EU passport. For those of us who aspire to work in the cockpit, these barriers can make it a difficult journey. While some may wonder why we chose to obtain an EASA license from the outset, it is important to recognize that everyone's situation is unique. Instead of passing judgment or offering unhelpful advice, it is important to either lend a hand or abstain from the conversation entirely. As a member of the aviation community, I empathize with those who are struggling to find a way to work and I urge others to do the same. If you have information that could be useful, please share it, but if not, please refrain from making unhelpful comments.

The reason many of us may seem unhelpful and get involved is that we have seen a sea change over the years in our industry where people are literally paying beyond the TR (which you shouldn’t have to pay for anyway) all the way through to paying to sit in the right hand seat. That means our own means to support our families and indeed the route to the flight deck for many less well off cadets becomes ever more challenging and under threat. The airline industry and career is cut throat and brutal enough without adding yet more downward pressure.

I have heard comment (not thankfully at any airline I have worked at) that First Officers should be grateful they are being paid at all, and that was extended to all pilots during Covid. How am I meant to react when my and my colleagues’ livelihood is threatened? You are enabling the absolute worst behaviour of airlines - many of them simply can’t help themselves and in the long run, you damage yourself too. “I just need 500 hours on type”, but why have a 500 hour FO in the RHS being paid when another cadet will simply take their place… when will you have spent enough? A TR and base training is, as a rule, useless on its own.

I wish both of you the absolute best in your careers, but hopefully not to the detriment of fellow aviators and the industry in general.

It can be frustrating when people fail to explain their situation properly after being given the advice that is correct for the vast majority, if not everybody.
The only person passing judgement and making 'unhelpful' comments (in the sense of they don't contain information pertinent to your question) in this thread has been me, because I find it incredibly irksome when people make demeaning and meaningless remarks to people in the industry who have taken the time to tell them how it is, instead of choosing to use their words to explain why the standard advice does not apply in their shoes.

A number of clearly experienced pilots have said the same thing, and the only response given was "Don't respond unless it answers my question".
Not once did they maybe think to explain why and how in their situation having completed their base training will get them a job - clearly for 99% of people, as per the above pilots, what has been suggested is a terrible idea, because it doesn't come with the additional requisite ~500h on type required.

Until one of you chooses to explain how they will use this self-funded base training to get a job (what airline are you using it for? Perhaps a screenshot of where it is stipulated you need it?), actually explain details of what stage you are at in your training/ratings, and perhaps also illuminate me as to how you are not damaging the industry for people like me who can't drop however many hundreds of thousands paying to fly an airliner, it is not any of the pilots above making unhelpful comments, it is you failing to communicate: not a good sign for a flying career in my opinion.

I understand. Many pilots face difficulties in securing employment due to restrictions imposed by their passport or residency status, which can limit their options for pursuing a career with certain airlines. As I approach the age limit of 30, I too am facing such challenges and have been considering the route of obtaining a Type rating and line training. Although I am able to finance the cost of the training myself, I am concerned about the uncertainty of job prospects following this investment, and I am aware that additional investment may be required in order to secure a position in the right-hand seat.

Allow me to clarify that I am currently not in a position to pursue base training, as I do not currently hold a type rating. My earlier comment was offered solely in empathy towards my colleague's circumstances. I should also note that I have received a proposal to engage in a p2f, which I am considering as a last resort.

You do yourself a disservice, plenty of pilots I know got their first flying job well into their 30s, their maturity an asset.

At 30 you are in your prime.

What if I told you that my national flag career have an age restriction and they don’t hire pilots over 30.

Will other airlines prefer foreigner pilot to be trained over their local one ?!

We all seek our national airline to find a work by singing a bond for a specific number of years.

Unfortunately, that’s not the case anymore!!