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Crusherrr 26th Feb 2020 05:53

CAE Oxford AP 445
 
Anyone joining AP 445 starting 30th November?

sms8 26th Feb 2020 09:27

is that now the earliest date?!
got a stage 3 to do next week then will be seeking the earliest date.

zulucharlie 28th Feb 2020 16:33

Are you enrolling as an intergrated or modular cadet. I have applied down the intergrated path and I am having to wait 2 weeks for results. Does this mean I've likely failed as If I passed then surely would have heard sooner.

sms8 29th Feb 2020 16:15


Originally Posted by zulucharlie (Post 10698349)
Are you enrolling as an intergrated or modular cadet. I have applied down the intergrated path and I am having to wait 2 weeks for results. Does this mean I've likely failed as If I passed then surely would have heard sooner.

​​​​​​2 weeks from the stage 3 interview or stage 2?

Im planning on going through the integrated but have the interview next week.

Crusherrr 1st Mar 2020 03:11

They tend to take a couple of weeks regardless of the outcome of your results.

Crusherrr 1st Mar 2020 03:12

If you need any help or advice pm me 🙃

zulucharlie 1st Mar 2020 11:36


Originally Posted by sms8 (Post 10699115)
​​​​​​2 weeks from the stage 3 interview or stage 2?

Im planning on going through the integrated but have the interview next week.

2 weeks on from stage 3, stage 2 only took around 5 days.
Did you receive an information pack for the stage 3 assessment from CAE as i never received one but other applicants said they did.
Also would like to say best of luck on your assessment on Tuesday and I hope you are successful.

zulucharlie 1st Mar 2020 11:47


Originally Posted by Crusherrr (Post 10699477)
They tend to take a couple of weeks regardless of the outcome of your results.

When did you complete your assessment and what was the wait for results and enrolment.

3Greens 1st Mar 2020 12:59


Originally Posted by sms8 (Post 10699115)
​​​​​​2 weeks from the stage 3 interview or stage 2?

Im planning on going through the integrated but have the interview next week.

who is interviewing whom? Arenít you about to hand them over £100k? How can you possibly fail that interview?

sms8 1st Mar 2020 13:16

Dont think they have any shortage of applicants, Iím expecting its so they can determine you understand what your taking on but, alas I havenít done it yet so canít really say what it entails.


Originally Posted by 3Greens (Post 10699783)
who is interviewing whom? Arenít you about to hand them over £100k? How can you possibly fail that interview?


sms8 1st Mar 2020 17:45


Originally Posted by zulucharlie (Post 10699732)
2 weeks on from stage 3, stage 2 only took around 5 days.
Did you receive an information pack for the stage 3 assessment from CAE as i never received one but other applicants said they did.
Also would like to say best of luck on your assessment on Tuesday and I hope you are successful.

Hi, Thank you, hopefully all goes well, I received an email with some info on what to expect and a brief outlay of the type of questions that may be asked, I prepared but honestly feel that I will go in and just be myself and hopefully Iíll be fine :)

portos8 1st Mar 2020 18:53


Originally Posted by zulucharlie (Post 10698349)
I have applied down the intergrated path and I am having to wait 2 weeks for results.

The CV is likely to induce a strong recession, if not a depression depending on its severity. That makes today comparable to the same time in 2008, right before the global financial meltdown. Early 2008 everyone got hired, by the end of 2008 over 70 airlines worldwide had gone bankrupt.

Students that started the integrated training in early 2008 , having paid over 100k upfront, completed their CPL in 2009. It took till 2013 for the first jobs to appear that low hour pilots qualified for. By then the training completed in 2009 was useless, with the 100k investment lost.
Students that started the modular training in early 2008, having paid only for the PPL upfront, were able to stop their training after the PPL once it became clear that the market went belly up, continuing their day jobs (that they had never left in the first place), taking maximum time for their ATPL theory to be completed, and finishing their CPL/MEIR training at the first signs the market improved in 2013. Those guys did well.

If you are currently on the verge of parting with 100K+ for an integrated course, maybe it is wise to rethink your strategy. More than ever, spread your risk. There is currently too much uncertainty. Do not believe the glossy folders. During a recession, when dozens of airlines go bust and thousands of qualified, experienced pilots are on the hunt for a job, you will have zero chance as a 200 (or is it 150....) hour pilot. When companies are laying off their pilots during a recession they will not hire newbies, regardless of what great relationship they have with your flightschool.





sms8 1st Mar 2020 19:03

Think most are more than aware of the risks and have made a decision that suits their own judgements and circumstances...especially since this thread is regarding future class AP445 not shall I go integrated or wait for a potential apocalypse... CV impact cannot be predicted and that is very much is a doomsday scenario for what is essentially a bad flu... starting training in late September as it seems is the likely time, your looking at least another 18months on, theres always a reason not to do XY and Z ... then life and circumstances get in the way and the opportunity passes you buy (I talk from experience) . Thereís always so many nay sayers...Iíve got what I consider my second chance and Iím going for it Iím aware of the risks thanks.


Originally Posted by portos8 (Post 10700030)
The CV is likely to induce a strong recession, if not a depression depending on its severity. That makes today comparable to the same time in 2008, right before the global financial meltdown. Early 2008 everyone got hired, by the end of 2008 over 70 airlines worldwide had gone bankrupt.

Students that started the integrated training in early 2008 , having paid over 100k upfront, completed their CPL in 2009. It took till 2013 for the first jobs to appear that low hour pilots qualified for. By then the training completed in 2009 was useless, with the 100k investment lost.
Students that started the modular training in early 2008, having paid only for the PPL upfront, were able to stop their training after the PPL once it became clear that the market went belly up, continuing their day jobs (that they had never left in the first place), taking maximum time for their ATPL theory to be completed, and finishing their CPL/MEIR training at the first signs the market improved in 2013. Those guys did well.

If you are currently on the verge of parting with 100K+ for an integrated course, maybe it is wise to rethink your strategy. More than ever, spread your risk. There is currently too much uncertainty. Do not believe the glossy folders. During a recession, when dozens of airlines go bust and thousands of qualified, experienced pilots are on the hunt for a job, you will have zero chance as a 200 (or is it 150....) hour pilot. When companies are laying off their pilots during a recession they will not hire newbies, regardless of what great relationship they have with your flightschool.


Crusherrr 1st Mar 2020 22:40


Originally Posted by zulucharlie (Post 10699739)
When did you complete your assessment and what was the wait for results and enrolment.

I took my stage 3 in early January and received my results about 2 weeks later. I enrolled onto my class only last week.

zulucharlie 2nd Mar 2020 17:57


Originally Posted by Crusherrr (Post 10700176)
I took my stage 3 in early January and received my results about 2 weeks later. I enrolled onto my class only last week.

Still no response about results however symbiotics contacted me to arrange a phone conversation to give feedback in the next week.

Crusherrr 2nd Mar 2020 23:51


Originally Posted by zulucharlie (Post 10700822)
Still no response about results however symbiotics contacted me to arrange a phone conversation to give feedback in the next week.

Its highly likely that CAE have received your results and haven't sent them to you yet. Have you tried calling them?

sms8 3rd Mar 2020 18:45

Stage 3 done today, just a waiting game now think it went well and was actually a nice relaxed interview.

DH.89 14th Mar 2020 20:20


Originally Posted by Crusherrr (Post 10696211)
Anyone joining AP 445 starting 30th November?

Hi there!

Confirmed my place for AP445 a couple of weeks ago and just came across this thread. I was also at the assessment in early January so we might have actually met. Looking forward to getting started in November!

And yes, in these 'interesting' times I do feel a bit mad to be starting an ATPL. But hopefully a clearer picture will emerge over the summer and there won't be too much disruption by the late Autumn. Then we can only hope that some kind of recovery begins over the next couple of years...

VariablePitchP 15th Mar 2020 10:16


Originally Posted by sms8 (Post 10700033)
Think most are more than aware of the risks and have made a decision that suits their own judgements and circumstances...especially since this thread is regarding future class AP445 not shall I go integrated or wait for a potential apocalypse... CV impact cannot be predicted and that is very much is a doomsday scenario for what is essentially a bad flu... starting training in late September as it seems is the likely time, your looking at least another 18months on, theres always a reason not to do XY and Z ... then life and circumstances get in the way and the opportunity passes you buy (I talk from experience) . Thereís always so many nay sayers...Iíve got what I consider my second chance and Iím going for it Iím aware of the risks thanks.

Nothing about portos8ís advice there is naysaying, itís genuine advice which youíre getting for free so try not to write it off just because you donít like it.

It took people five years to get jobs back after the recession, and American didnít ground itís entire wide body fleet during the recession (as an example).

Itís good youíre not starting until November as youíve got time to pull out if needs be (hopefully youíve not put any money down yet for the course). Donít just block out any negativity because you want to do the training. Iíve no idea what age you are or background etc but if you are a 19 year old with Daddy paying for the training, which to be honest I sense you might be based on your attitude to risk(?) then please at the very least use the time until November to get a decent second job running in case you need it.

Integrated vs Modular is interesting here. You may well find an integrated course costs 20k less in a yearís time as half of the people drop out due to uncertainty and the schools scramble to fill slots. I suspect you may well be offered a May/June start as people WILL drop out, advice has to be not to take an early slot until this blows over!

On that topic, you have to consider what you pay for by going integrated. The training is the same as modular, albeit by going integrated youíre committing yourself to being treated like a sausage in a factory rather than a student and will be pushed through with the absolute bare minimum effort spent on your training. The main integrated benefit is getting a job at the end of it. There are no jobs. Why not save 20-30k and go modular? You gain the option to finish when you choose, as was mentioned further up thread, and youíll be treated like a student not a number. Thatís before you save loads of cash.

I appreciate that if Daddy is paying (not a bad thing, everyone wants to help their kids as much as they can) then you havenít much to lose so it doesnít really matter what you do. But for any other situation, or for anyone else reading this, put the brakes on! Take a couple of months to do some PROPER research. Glossy mags are just that, they mean nothing. Swallow your pride and go and see that slightly dusty looking flight school down the road, may be the best thing youíve ever done.


Disclaimer - Iím an ex integrated (CTC, stood for Constantly Taking Cash, now L3) student who started on jets in 2018. Iíd never really heard of modular at the time as I had an airline spot when I went through so didnít give it much thought, there were jobs absolutely everywhere. Iím now worried about my job, terrified actually. And thatís with 2000 hours, which really isnít as many as it sounds sadly. I would certainly be doing everything Iíve said above if I was in your shoes now. And what I said about integrated being a sausage factory... Trust me...

zulucharlie 15th Mar 2020 10:43

Given the current job market, I have made the decision to withdraw from CAE's integrated programme and go down the modular route whilst completing ground school over a few extra months for example. I am quite frankly terrified of the job market in the next 3 years time but if anything will help then good results in flight school can't be a bad thing...


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