CAE Oxford AP 445
 

Anyone joining AP 445 starting 30th November?

is that now the earliest date?!
got a stage 3 to do next week then will be seeking the earliest date.

Are you enrolling as an intergrated or modular cadet. I have applied down the intergrated path and I am having to wait 2 weeks for results. Does this mean I've likely failed as If I passed then surely would have heard sooner.

​​​​​​2 weeks from the stage 3 interview or stage 2?

Im planning on going through the integrated but have the interview next week.

They tend to take a couple of weeks regardless of the outcome of your results.

If you need any help or advice pm me 🙃

2 weeks on from stage 3, stage 2 only took around 5 days.
Did you receive an information pack for the stage 3 assessment from CAE as i never received one but other applicants said they did.
Also would like to say best of luck on your assessment on Tuesday and I hope you are successful.

When did you complete your assessment and what was the wait for results and enrolment.

who is interviewing whom? Aren’t you about to hand them over £100k? How can you possibly fail that interview?

Dont think they have any shortage of applicants, I’m expecting its so they can determine you understand what your taking on but, alas I haven’t done it yet so can’t really say what it entails.

Hi, Thank you, hopefully all goes well, I received an email with some info on what to expect and a brief outlay of the type of questions that may be asked, I prepared but honestly feel that I will go in and just be myself and hopefully I’ll be fine :)

The CV is likely to induce a strong recession, if not a depression depending on its severity. That makes today comparable to the same time in 2008, right before the global financial meltdown. Early 2008 everyone got hired, by the end of 2008 over 70 airlines worldwide had gone bankrupt.

Students that started the integrated training in early 2008 , having paid over 100k upfront, completed their CPL in 2009. It took till 2013 for the first jobs to appear that low hour pilots qualified for. By then the training completed in 2009 was useless, with the 100k investment lost.
Students that started the modular training in early 2008, having paid only for the PPL upfront, were able to stop their training after the PPL once it became clear that the market went belly up, continuing their day jobs (that they had never left in the first place), taking maximum time for their ATPL theory to be completed, and finishing their CPL/MEIR training at the first signs the market improved in 2013. Those guys did well.

If you are currently on the verge of parting with 100K+ for an integrated course, maybe it is wise to rethink your strategy. More than ever, spread your risk. There is currently too much uncertainty. Do not believe the glossy folders. During a recession, when dozens of airlines go bust and thousands of qualified, experienced pilots are on the hunt for a job, you will have zero chance as a 200 (or is it 150....) hour pilot. When companies are laying off their pilots during a recession they will not hire newbies, regardless of what great relationship they have with your flightschool.

Think most are more than aware of the risks and have made a decision that suits their own judgements and circumstances...especially since this thread is regarding future class AP445 not shall I go integrated or wait for a potential apocalypse... CV impact cannot be predicted and that is very much is a doomsday scenario for what is essentially a bad flu... starting training in late September as it seems is the likely time, your looking at least another 18months on, theres always a reason not to do XY and Z ... then life and circumstances get in the way and the opportunity passes you buy (I talk from experience) . There’s always so many nay sayers...I’ve got what I consider my second chance and I’m going for it I’m aware of the risks thanks.

I took my stage 3 in early January and received my results about 2 weeks later. I enrolled onto my class only last week.

Still no response about results however symbiotics contacted me to arrange a phone conversation to give feedback in the next week.

Its highly likely that CAE have received your results and haven't sent them to you yet. Have you tried calling them?

Stage 3 done today, just a waiting game now think it went well and was actually a nice relaxed interview.

Hi there!

Confirmed my place for AP445 a couple of weeks ago and just came across this thread. I was also at the assessment in early January so we might have actually met. Looking forward to getting started in November!

And yes, in these 'interesting' times I do feel a bit mad to be starting an ATPL. But hopefully a clearer picture will emerge over the summer and there won't be too much disruption by the late Autumn. Then we can only hope that some kind of recovery begins over the next couple of years...

Nothing about portos8’s advice there is naysaying, it’s genuine advice which you’re getting for free so try not to write it off just because you don’t like it.

It took people five years to get jobs back after the recession, and American didn’t ground it’s entire wide body fleet during the recession (as an example).

It’s good you’re not starting until November as you’ve got time to pull out if needs be (hopefully you’ve not put any money down yet for the course). Don’t just block out any negativity because you want to do the training. I’ve no idea what age you are or background etc but if you are a 19 year old with Daddy paying for the training, which to be honest I sense you might be based on your attitude to risk(?) then please at the very least use the time until November to get a decent second job running in case you need it.

Integrated vs Modular is interesting here. You may well find an integrated course costs 20k less in a year’s time as half of the people drop out due to uncertainty and the schools scramble to fill slots. I suspect you may well be offered a May/June start as people WILL drop out, advice has to be not to take an early slot until this blows over!

On that topic, you have to consider what you pay for by going integrated. The training is the same as modular, albeit by going integrated you’re committing yourself to being treated like a sausage in a factory rather than a student and will be pushed through with the absolute bare minimum effort spent on your training. The main integrated benefit is getting a job at the end of it. There are no jobs. Why not save 20-30k and go modular? You gain the option to finish when you choose, as was mentioned further up thread, and you’ll be treated like a student not a number. That’s before you save loads of cash.

I appreciate that if Daddy is paying (not a bad thing, everyone wants to help their kids as much as they can) then you haven’t much to lose so it doesn’t really matter what you do. But for any other situation, or for anyone else reading this, put the brakes on! Take a couple of months to do some PROPER research. Glossy mags are just that, they mean nothing. Swallow your pride and go and see that slightly dusty looking flight school down the road, may be the best thing you’ve ever done.


Disclaimer - I’m an ex integrated (CTC, stood for Constantly Taking Cash, now L3) student who started on jets in 2018. I’d never really heard of modular at the time as I had an airline spot when I went through so didn’t give it much thought, there were jobs absolutely everywhere. I’m now worried about my job, terrified actually. And that’s with 2000 hours, which really isn’t as many as it sounds sadly. I would certainly be doing everything I’ve said above if I was in your shoes now. And what I said about integrated being a sausage factory... Trust me...

Given the current job market, I have made the decision to withdraw from CAE's integrated programme and go down the modular route whilst completing ground school over a few extra months for example. I am quite frankly terrified of the job market in the next 3 years time but if anything will help then good results in flight school can't be a bad thing...