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lilpilot 18th Aug 2018 04:09

Your FAA PPL will include night "rating" but you will need to buy a car if you plan on any lengthy stay in the US or Canada.
BASA will likely not apply to UK license holders as the UK leaves the EU and BASA is an EU-US agreement.
Add more time and money to your contingency, 10% is slim, 30% is more realistic.
Where do you plan to train overseas? Living costs add up quickly and should be a separate line in your budget.

selfin 18th Aug 2018 16:45


Originally Posted by lilpilot
BASA will likely not apply to UK license holders as the UK leaves the EU and BASA is an EU-US agreement.

That is an irrelevant fact. EU residence is not required to hold a Part-FCL licence and, in the context of this thread, conversion to a Part-FCL licence under the BASA is unnecessary.

If the OP obtains a Part-FCL licence it will be deemed valid for use in UK and there is no indication that article 150 of the UK ANO will be changed once UK leaves EU.

In the worst case UK will withdraw from the recent agreement (number 5950) registered with ICAO on the automatic validation of Part-FCL licences: see also Commission Regulation (EU) 2018/1065 of 27 Jul 2018 amending the Aircrew Regulation, and amendment 174 to ICAO Annex 1. As far as I can see this will only affect holders of UK-granted Part-FCL licences operating non-UK-registered EASA aircraft outside UK and EU. The obvious solution is to apply under ANO Art 152 (form SRG 1104) for a United Kingdom pilot's licence, which post-Brexit will be valid on UK-registered aircraft presently considered EASA aircraft, then change the Part-FCL licence State of Issue.

rudestuff 19th Aug 2018 10:12


Originally Posted by BAe 146-100 (Post 10221783)
This old adage still exists today - “train where you plan to fly”.

...the sky?

spitfirejock 21st Aug 2018 16:01

Perhaps we might have established a logical (non-emotional or bias) consensus that its not about where you train, its about the quality of training and price you pay, often a balance between perception (will I get better if I pay more?), reality (what can I genuinely afford)? Trying to see through the marketing (often hype) is, in my opinion, a daunting task for a perspective student. These forums can perhaps help, when there is an overwhelming positive or negative about a school or a place, however, trying to cut through the huge variety of 'opinions' and reach a conclusion, I would argue is almost impossible. as I said a previous post, I think everyone should visit and see for themselves before committing and of course, never ever pay upfront large sums. Despite this all sounding logical and common sense to most, it is still surprising how many people don't take this advice.

As for EU, BREXIT & Part FCL, many have commented already back and forth to the point that a most readers must be confused. One post could argue very well and convincing in one direction, another post can go in the opposite direction and sound just as convincing. There are obviously very clever orators which put forward good arguments/points, but where do we end up, confused maybe?

For me, I take the view we wont know until we know (maybe a cop out or a neutral stance) but I think neutral is all we can be until we know. If I were a betting man, which I am not, I cannot fathom a situation which will lead to the UK being unable to train to a Part FCL standard and gain reciprocity in the worst case scenario, so my money will be on a positive not a negative outcome.

custardpsc 22nd Aug 2018 10:10

Banana Joe - any chance you could post some details on the process to sit ATPL exams in Poland? I am sure there are a few people interested in that one, me included

flapsupboy 22nd Aug 2018 14:13


Originally Posted by custardpsc (Post 10230459)
Banana Joe - any chance you could post some details on the process to sit ATPL exams in Poland? I am sure there are a few people interested in that one, me included

Me too. And I wish to go with Bartolini

selfin 22nd Aug 2018 14:40

Article 21(6) of the new Basic Regulation coming into force 11 Sep 2018 provides a basis for the crediting of microlight hours. Refer to article 2(8) for aircraft not subject to the regulation.


Training and experience on aircraft not subject to this Regulation may be recognised for the purpose of obtaining the pilot licence referred to in paragraph 1 of this Article, in accordance with the implementing acts referred to in point (c)(iv) of Article 23(1).
Official Journal of the European Union, L 212, 22 August 2018: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...L:2018:212:TOC

Banana Joe 22nd Aug 2018 15:05


Originally Posted by custardpsc (Post 10230459)
Banana Joe - any chance you could post some details on the process to sit ATPL exams in Poland? I am sure there are a few people interested in that one, me included

The process is quite straightforward, the only thing is that you are allowed to sit the first exam only after 5 months from the day you have officially enrolled as an ATPL student, but you can use all of this time to finish the CBT and study the subjects. It took me around 3 months to finish the Bristol CBT, with a two-week break in between.

You can do the 2-week brush-up class at any time - immediately before you finish the CBT or after - they have one scheduled, provided it is not fully booked. I think they take a maximum of 10 students and they run classes every two months.

Sitting the exams in Poland is also easy. The exam fee is €250 for all the exams, including re-takes. You don't need to book beforehand, you just go there when the session is open and tell the lady at the entrance what exams you are registering for. The exam sessions are open for two weeks every month, excluding August. Nobody does nothing in August in Poland.

I started studying the ATPL subjects on the Bristol CBT in September and finished it in November, took a month off and had my brush-up class in January. I passed the first exam in March and finished in May. 3 months to pass all the exams at first attempt thanks to the simple and straightforward process in Poland.

I recommend this path if you feel confident studying on your own.

I add it is imperative you finish the CBT, take the brush-up class and pass the internal exam to obtain the Course Completion Certificate. With this, you are allowed to register with the ULC (Polish CAA) to sit the exams.

Nurse2Pilot 22nd Aug 2018 20:14


Originally Posted by Banana Joe (Post 10230740)
Nobody does nothing in August in Poland.

What do you mean? I've sent them two emails recently and have not heard back yet.

Banana Joe 22nd Aug 2018 21:21


Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot (Post 10230972)
What do you mean? I've sent them two emails recently and have not heard back yet.

Summer vacations.

Nurse2Pilot 22nd Aug 2018 22:46

Even Barto staff? :(

custardpsc 22nd Aug 2018 22:48

Banana Joe - many thanks , very helpful

Couple of questions

Is there any need to do anything in advance beyond just register via their website? do you need to be in the country at any point prior to pay in advance or submit original documents?

And if one wanted to do all the subjects in one go, you can register each day for a subject or two, during the two week session?

many thanks, I will investigate this further myself and post here to try and assist others

Banana Joe 23rd Aug 2018 11:57


Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot (Post 10231058)
Even Barto staff? :(

You're better off giving them a phone call.


Originally Posted by custardpsc (Post 10231060)
Banana Joe - many thanks , very helpful

Couple of questions

Is there any need to do anything in advance beyond just register via their website? do you need to be in the country at any point prior to pay in advance or submit original documents?

And if one wanted to do all the subjects in one go, you can register each day for a subject or two, during the two week session?

many thanks, I will investigate this further myself and post here to try and assist others

It's been two years now and I don't really remember, but the school helps you in the process of registering for the exams. When you receive the login information you can do the exams.
Yes, you could attempt all the subjects in one sessions if you really felt confident about it, but I know nobody that has done this.

Nurse2Pilot 23rd Aug 2018 16:00


Originally Posted by Banana Joe (Post 10231431)
You're better off giving them a phone call.

They can respond to a phone call but not to an email??

Banana Joe 23rd Aug 2018 16:38

It's simple: the lady picking up the phone is the front desk lady. The email you wrote too is a representative's email. There are 2 and both of them are quite busy. One of them is also looking after aircraft sales as far as I know.

Nurse2Pilot 23rd Aug 2018 17:12

Makes sense! I'll give them a ring tomorrow but fired off another email today as well. I was initially confused as I only had 1 email on my Sent folder and realized that the other "email" I sent was through their Contact page! Thanks!


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