How much should I set aside for an MCCJOC?
 

Hi there,
I'm currently doing my PPLs in uni studying for an Air Transport Degree and by the end (mid-2020) I should have my fATPL

I'm currently looking for a loan for this August (post ppl) to commence my training for ATPLs and so on, and I have quotes from the likes of FTA, L3, CAE, BCFT.

With the changing regulations from EASA and recommendations from airlines, how much should I set aside for an MCCJOC?

KURA is about £9000?

May I clarify that you'll have done your ATPL theory whilst doing your Air Transport Degree?
If so, then you are aware of the time line from finishing those exams to their expiry?

Then, in all honesty, there's no point in doing an integrated course, esp if you already will have a PPL.... Unless you can get a huge discount but I doubt it, they are after all, a business.

price is reasonably accurate. Check out what the HCoAP are doing too.
https://www.airpilots.org/career-mat...ings-alliance/

Yep, I would have finished my ATPLs by March 2019, I'm planning to do it all with Booker Aviation,a competency based IR. They've quoted 54K without the MCCJOC which I'd have to find elsewhere

I think that the university program is worth it in my opinion, although there is a mixed opinion with the students. You can tell which students have been forced by their parents for the sake of having a degree but I think the airline management modules etc do truly make you an avaitor. Obviously not everyone's cup of tea though. Bucks newuni is the second worst uni in the UK by uni rankings but that's not because of the air transport degree, rather nursing, social sciences etc etc. Kingston uni do a similar degree but it's engineering / maths focused where I'm doing an economical/management focused degree.

As for hour building in USA, I'm not so sure, it's just a preference of mine to stay in the UK - booker is close to me so I can commute and the competency based IR depends on doing your hour building with them so they can assess you through it if I recall correctly.

I'd like to believe Booker has drastically improved since then. From what a can see on PPRuNe, they are a respected outfit.
As for comparing Kingston and Bucks, both degrees give you the ATPL but as for the uni stuff, completely different; they're not interchangeable so in that sense, they can't really be compared but I appreciate the reluctance potential students would feel about enrolling into a uni that's #126/127.

Regarding Stapleford, how have you plucked £20k out of the sky? The costs I've tallied up are the normal £60Kish

The likes of Flying Academy etc in the US really do seem convincing. I'll be going to Pilot Careers Live the April, hopefully, some of the American schools will be there to possibly convince me to do my building there.

Oh I see, thanks. Yes I agree, Booker has their [fully inclusive price] of around £25k, and to be honest a lot of my decision on where I'm going to study next year has depended on the transparency of such pricing. The likes of FTA give me a different number each time.

Any saving regarding most schools in the UK would be negated because of the fact I would have to rent accommodation

Me also, I was definitely impressed with FTA upon my visit and I know of people going to commence training there who'll undoubtedly succeed, just personally I didn't think it was for me.

You're right, I'll give Stapleford an insight but I've enjoyed doing my PPLs so far with Booker and their FNPT II taster lessons they've given me have convinced me they can deliver the goods if I continue with them.
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The main question of my thread though is after Booker, Stapleford etc, how much should I set aside for an MCCJOC? The likes of Stapleford do it for £2500, Kura for £9000. Why is there such a discrepancy?

I guess it's a question I'll have to ask them in 2 years time after my dissertation, I'm assuming the prices will increase with UPRT becoming compulsory soon, probably even with FTOs who were delivering it anyways

The equipment and the level of support.

Ask the providers what else is provided beyond the bare bones MCC course.

You should also be aware that the APS requirement is imminent and, once available (any day now) doing a non APS MCC course will arguably be poor value. I anticipate the 'bargain basement' MCC will become a route far less often travelled.

[Due disclaimer - I am a contract instructor at some ATOs towards the top end. So I would say that wouldn't I!]

Very interesting, thanks for your input. I've got over the myth that Airlines don't go "huh?" and disregard the smaller ATOs modular pilots may train at but do you think they may act like that towards MCCJOC providers?

In other words, is the MCCJOC merely a tick box exercise or otherwise?

I've heard the likes of FTA say they don't include a JOC in their costs because airlines basically do that in their type rating?

I know of a new start up in Gatwick that do an MCCJOC course, called Jet Masterclass. They have a brand new 737NG device and I believe they were about £4k plus VAT as an intro price.

Just had a quick look, sounds promising! I'm not looking to commence an MCCJOC or APSMCC rather till 2020 so hopefully if they stand the test of time, they'll be a viable option