PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies) (https://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies-14/)
-   -   EASA ATPL Changing Question style (https://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/596363-easa-atpl-changing-question-style.html)

KayPam 4th Jul 2017 16:41


Originally Posted by superflanker (Post 9820273)
Congratulations. Can you tell us your study method and how many hours a week did you study please?

I have been studying for three weeks and i have only finished HP and i am half way of air law and with an average on Aviation Exam tests of only 80%...:ugh:

Well I started with an advantage : an aerospace engineering degree..
So PoF, mass and balance, performance, apart from the EASA-regulations aspects (like what is Va, Vb, etc..) were done.
All "scientific subjects" like gen nav were greatly facilitated.

My method was to read the books once, then do a third to a half of the corresponding questions. 80 pages per day.
Go like this until the book was over. Then 200 questions per day

Depending on subjects, this took me 1-4 hours per day. I'd say I studied an amount of hours just above the regulated minimum of 650 hours.

Air law is what I call a "by heart" subject, so only a good memory will help you there.

Alex Whittingham 6th Jul 2017 15:53

The information notice is now published together with a new video.

superflanker 7th Jul 2017 06:29

We will see, if they put fair questions there will be no problems. If they put subjetive or imprecise questions... :\
The new styles does not mean that this questions will be about new content, am i right?

MaverickPrime 10th Jul 2017 14:26


Originally Posted by Alex Whittingham (Post 9822610)
The information notice is now published together with a new video.

Just watched the video. There is no mention of essay type questions on the Information Notice, but they are mentioned in the video. Do you know what types of questions will involve an essay answer?

paco 10th Jul 2017 14:38

There won't be essay answers.

MaverickPrime 10th Jul 2017 20:46

Happy days!

momo95 10th Jul 2017 20:58

We are just about surviving with A, B, C, D ... I think we'd melt with essays!

KayPam 10th Jul 2017 21:25

Well essays would be much more interesting because students would actually have to learn the material...

momo95 10th Jul 2017 21:42

I would love to learn the material. The issue is there are simply not enough hours in the day. The way I'm going about it is learning the topics and principles that come up in BGS and aviation exam ... and the relevant answers.

I did spend some evenings trying to actually learn the stuff like in the A-Levels, maybe I'm slow, but I spent the best part of 5 hours on one lesson trying to get my head around some concepts. The next day I had the question bank on that topic done, with relevant topics learnt along with the answers ... all in under half the time.

I do not think it is humanely possible to learn all of this stuff in 7 months.

Reverserbucket 11th Jul 2017 09:52

So how did we manage before Question Banks were available with more subjects and negative marking (at least in my day)? At the risk of sounding negative, a youngster struggling to retain ATPL content might well find they have problems getting through a type-rating.

momo95 11th Jul 2017 12:15

From what I'm seeing, I don't know anyone who doesn't find ground school difficult or challenging at best. There is a limit to how much info you can smack into someone's brain in such a short period of time, naturally you will forget it as time goes on and you are lumped with more material.

KayPam 11th Jul 2017 17:38


Originally Posted by momo95 (Post 9826710)
I would love to learn the material. The issue is there are simply not enough hours in the day. The way I'm going about it is learning the topics and principles that come up in BGS and aviation exam ... and the relevant answers.

I did spend some evenings trying to actually learn the stuff like in the A-Levels, maybe I'm slow, but I spent the best part of 5 hours on one lesson trying to get my head around some concepts. The next day I had the question bank on that topic done, with relevant topics learnt along with the answers ... all in under half the time.

I do not think it is humanely possible to learn all of this stuff in 7 months.

Maybe a good idea would be not to do this just after A-Levels.
After a master's degree I was able to learn everything in a grand total of about 400 hours (the remainder of the 650hours being revising before the tests), which equates to about 2.5 to 3 months of full time learning.
Actually I had learnt some of the content during the master's courses.

momo95 11th Jul 2017 18:41

I did my A Levels back in 2013 and gained a degree since

Anyway no point complaining, just gotta do it!

superflanker 31st Jul 2017 06:31

Does somebody know if with the new system, the results will be given to you immediately after you finish the test (UK CAA)?

iFunFlyer 31st Jul 2017 08:18

Nope, results are sent out 1 day after the sitting period for that venue.

paco 31st Jul 2017 08:22

They are given out on the friday of that week

Officer Kite 31st Jul 2017 09:14

I'm lead to believe that in Lithuania you can see immediately after picking each individual question whether you got it right or wrong ... I take it it isn't the same elsewhere?

superflanker 31st Jul 2017 09:34

In Spain you get the results at finishing (SENASA). When i did my PPL exams i saw a lot of good and bad reactions when the people doing ATPLs got their results sheet :)

biscuit74 31st Jul 2017 20:41

Every testing system has its pros and cons. Multiple choice is hard to devise, since the correct answers must not be too obvious and the incorrect answers must be close and believable without being deliberately confusing. Most examiners hate devising multiple choice questions. I spent quite a lot of time with those, in another technical environment. They are limited in what can be tested well.

It is easy to default asking silly questions about irrelevant minutiae, like the dates of regulations. Harder to ask good questions about practical matters without the questions becoming unduly long and complicated. It is easy to assess and cheap to mark.
It does encourage some to ‘study to the test’, in place of understanding the topics. It is possible to pass without real understanding. That said, someone who understands the topics will do fine, if they read the questions carefully and stay calm.

The current questions, if the trial questions are any guide, do include what I would view as ‘trick’ questions, designed to catch candidates out. That I think is unsatisfactory, but very common. The new ‘quadrant’ process ought to be better, provided no trick questions are involved. Time will tell !

paco 1st Aug 2017 06:13

Yeah, the third wrong answer is the worst ;)


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:57.


Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.