300 to 1500 hours? How are you going to do it?
 

So, entry level jobs at 300 hours? Not anymore is FAA land in AUG 2013.

How are people going to fill this 1200 hour gap?

Instructing, as it should be!

This in FAA land? It' easy! They have a lot of general navigation options!
Flight Instructor is the first option usually.

mcgoo, don't say as it should be.

I'm thinking of becoming a full-time flight instructor in Europe, but what can I give to my future students (if I will ever have one) besides trying to share my passion of flying????

Flying lessons, hopefully.

You didn't get the point...

the problem i have with that is the quality of training, in my opinion, will inevitably fall.

when we are learning we want someone with a passion to teach us- and i feel that 'forcing' people to become instructors for the necessary hours to become airline pilots will have a bad effect on training standards- precisely the thing they are trying to improve.

Just my 2 cents

With the EASA posting in the FAQs that PPL(A) pilots will be able to get an FI ticket and charge for flight training the instuctor route for hour building may get a bit thin on the ground.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/g-FAQ%20FEB12_280212.pdf

Section 11

I dont think there will be any great rush of PPL FI's coming forward. The requirements for new FI's will still be to complete the CPL theory groundschool syllabus and exams, and also the full FI course(currently 125 hours groundschool and 30 hours flying training and skills test). The sheer cost alone will put the majority off. Its also a huge time commitment. Yeah sure...some will do it, but I dont think the annual CAA stats will show a great uptake in the next few years.

FS,

Instructing up to 700hrs was generally the only way, pre-JAR for those funding their own training and the industry seemed to manage OK.

enough pilots looking so the 1500h will put suckers away.
really we don't need children who want play the airline pilot after 1 year training and without maturity.

civil patrol
 

what about civil patrol volunteering?

wingreencard

How did you start your career? How did you get mature and skilled before joining an airline ?

Get yourself down to Africa, great climate, interesting experience, chance to build PIC/NIGHT/IR time and also get to stay in some of the most amazing game parks in the world where you can see 'zoo' animals in their natural environment. Safety isn't as sh*t as people think and go to the right places (Botswana/Zambia/Namibia/Tanzania etc) you'll find the people friendly and the environment safe. Much better than sitting in the right seat with a 2-300hrs of flight school experience, teaching someone who knows marginally less than yourself.

nothing better than teaching, it gives your great advantages than just wishing to seat in a big plane with the autopilot on. did both ...

you log twin, single, flight instructor,...and it gives you more chance to get a job on this market and you get respect from students, boss, and the FAA or JAA.The job is lot of fun and i love it, and vary everyday.

Nothing better to join your students on the tarmac and fly for a drink or a cheesburger to pensacola airfield , and take a free courtesy car, and go to restaurant or go watch a movie when the weather is too bad.

they guy who tell me it' s a waste of time to be a flight instructor , are I think not very interested by this profession and are heading to a lot of desilusions..

Flight instructor is the best job ever!:ok:

I did it in America by being a ferry pilot. Moving aircraft coast to coast across the States for dealers. Great experience, dealing with airports I had never been to before and weather on route. I've been to 42 of the 50 US States now, including Alaska. Logistics was a lot of fun, trying to work out where to stay that night or how to get to a plane in the middle of Montana.

As a flight instructor you never get off the local sectional. You don't get to fly much either as the student is and your sitting there watching.

There's an instructor at my home airport that has about 4,000hrs that didn't move on when the time was right and is now the most jadded individual you'll ever meet...

Seems like a good place to ask though I'm expecting some of you will get seriously pi..ed with just the question;

here is the deal:
I did my ratings in US back in 2009 , than had to quit flying for two years due to some family and cash matters. Long story short, I have only the FAA's CPL ticket +ME and IR and basically no hours. No option to legally work in US (EU citizen) so getting a CFI is pointless . I'm almost done with EASA conversion but there is no hope for a job and european instructor's rating is a pain.

I got an option of starting a job in europe (small twin, cargo carrying in 2 pilot operation so rest assured I wont be low time B737 killer) with just one condition - additional 250-300 hours of ME time. I've got some money to cover the TB but it's far from 40k needed for 200 hours on a rented twin. I know I could naturally p2f to get right seat time in a p135 operation, but I'm still hoping there's another way to get those hours.

Tried to send some inquiries to some small companies around the world (those accepting FAA papers) with an idea that I'll pay for all additional training costs, want no compensation etc. As expected, just a few of them replayed, mostly saying they would like to help but need to give priority to locals.

So, strictly in my case, what do you guys think I should do ?

As shi..y as it sounds, P2F in a p135 scheme seems like the only option.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to support p2f or justify the idea of getting into it. And though it's not going to put me into debt - I'd still gladly fly a light twin instead, perhaps doing something useful at the same time.

Sorry this post got so long - been reading these forums for last couple of years so I guess it just accumulated :E.

Why do you say this...
Sure instructing is not for everyone, but why is instructor experience viewed so negatively on this forum? I know that the JAA FI is a bit more hindering than the FAA Instructor system, but it shouldn't be discounted so readily. Just my opinion

Instructing? That's how people used to get hours for a job if they did not have enough twin time, oh yeah thats a pain. Yep, pay to be a pilot there is just no other option.

Agreed - I wasn't precise enough. I don't have anything against JAA FI system, but it takes a really long time to get to the point where you'll be actually instructing and building some time.

As I mentioned, I'm describing my case - all guys who have time and feel that they'll actually do great being an FI should definitely do it.

SloppyJoe - I kind of expected someone to reply in this tone. Being a 20 yo guy at the point where I am now, I'd go for FI rating straight away.
And I really don't want this to be another useless discussion between pro and anti p2f guys.