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paco 21st Dec 2011 17:08

SFI - it must be fun on your flight deck. I suggest you keep such comments to yourself. We are here to encourage people, not put them down.

Groundloop is perfectly correct. I have met many PPLs with a better professional attitude than many "professionals".

And you dare to pontificate about CRM?

Da-20 monkey 21st Dec 2011 18:05


No one passed that exam (worldwide!) and we got free re-set.
Are you serious Cefey?:ooh: No- one passed?

What kind of questions did they ask then? Can you tell us more please?

paco 21st Dec 2011 18:18

If you're talking abiout the performance exams, way too many graph questions and not enough time to do them in. Questions that are worth a couple of marks in Nav suddenly become elements of three-parters.

Artie Fufkin 21st Dec 2011 19:17

It can take as little as 2 weeks to learn a full QB to sufficient level to pass. Not a wise move though. If you think you'll continue to read and learn the ATPL text books post exam, you are fooling no one but yourself.

Many do employ this tactic, you'd be surprised at the FOs who turn up on-line without some pretty basic knowledge.

A famous Old Boy once turned up at my school assembley and said, "half of everything you learn at school is completely useless and is pointless learning". All the teachers turned round looking aghast, until he said "but you don't know which half, so study it all". Very true.

Da-20 monkey 21st Dec 2011 19:20

That's unbelievable. I did the exams a year ago, and all of them were similar to the qb.
Even then there were people without first time passes.
I suppose it is a problem for students now, since some big employers require first time passes. :ugh:

welliewanger 22nd Dec 2011 04:45


A famous Old Boy once turned up at my school assembley and said, "half of everything you learn at school is completely useless and is pointless learning". All the teachers turned round looking aghast, until he said "but you don't know which half, so study it all". Very true.
Genius... absolute genius!

Groundloop 22nd Dec 2011 07:26


As you are a PPL holder maybe you should keep out of these discussions and leave it to the professional pilots?
Remember this a PP forum (Professional Pilots) not amateurs like you.
I may only hold a PPL but I have been involved in the education and training of commercial pilots for the last 15 years and I have seen all types - those who really want to learn and those who just want to scrape through with the minimum effort.

tangovictor89 4th Jan 2012 19:50

Thank you all for your useful replies.

Any others?

Da-20 monkey 5th Jan 2012 23:13

Afro, I was talking about the recruitment policy of a big low cost carrier in Europe. This airline is at present the nearly only one that recruits low hour pilots from flight schools in large numbers.

However, they only invite people with first time passes on the theory and (I think) first time pass on the CPL/IR check (partial passes?)

If you don't have those, you can join the ,,finished flight school, no job'' club. Unless you find something else.

I myself am In a different position, couldn't continue integrated training after theory, because no loan from the bank.

Da-20 monkey 6th Jan 2012 00:39

To be honest, Afro, I have no idea where people get the money for that type rating. I guess you could include it in a loan for an integrated course. This explains why some people leave school with a 100.000 euro debt with little job prospects.

That's not a typo.

So maybe I am better off after all.:rolleyes:

There is conflicting opinion about whether you have more chance of getting a job if you did integrated rather than modular. And even modular is difficult to fund if you have a simple part-time job. Those theory exams are only valid 3 years, after all.
And finding a general aviation job in this part of the world is a bit of a gamble too, I think.
But yes, it is an option.


Are you in europe?

Da-20 monkey 6th Jan 2012 03:52


So can we say about this certain budget airline, whether integrated or modular Eur100k in pocket & first time exam passes (skills test, IR etc) your chances are greatly improved?
That's quite a statement :ooh: I don't know the answer.

Ask in this thread:
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...erged-140.html

Sorry for going way over topic.:rolleyes:


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