You don't really want to be a pilot. Sorry, harsh but true. If you've had numerous opportunities but never taken them, there is always something that has stopped you. I'm 29 and this is my first "opportunity" to be a pilot, and I'm taking it.
Your perspective as an outsider is pretty much irrelevant. Again, sorry for any offence. |
Originally Posted by jamesgrainge
(Post 10124683)
You don't really want to be a pilot. Sorry, harsh but true. If you've had numerous opportunities but never taken them, there is always something that has stopped you. I'm 29 and this is my first "opportunity" to be a pilot, and I'm taking it.
Your perspective as an outsider is pretty much irrelevant. Again, sorry for any offence. Well if that was a response to nadz's post may politely I suggest you start working on your CRM skills...blowing somebody out of the water with a few platitudes when they have advocated their position quite eloquently ( BTW that is something that is a CRM skill) isn't going to go down well in a multi crew environment.... As for nadz's decision itself...well, life is different for everybody and sometimes people can't just drop everthing at the drop of a hat, so I'd be cutting some slack rather than being judgemental....... |
Originally Posted by wiggy
(Post 10124711)
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Well if that was a response to nadz's post may politely I suggest you start working on your CRM skills...blowing somebody out of the water with a few platitudes when they have advocated their position quite eloquently ( BTW that is something that is a CRM skill) isn't going to go down well in a multi crew environment.... As for nadz's decision itself...well, life is different for everybody and sometimes people can't just drop everthing at the drop of a hat, so I'd be cutting some slack rather than being judgemental....... The poster in question is more than welcome to share his "eloquent" viewpoint, and I reserve the right as an optimist currently working his way through it to encourage people to try the impossible. |
I reckon a few folk on this thread need to refer back to post #1 for inspiration.
The large UK airline I work for have taken some quite elderly FO's on with low hours recently. |
Originally Posted by jamesgrainge
(Post 10124683)
You don't really want to be a pilot. Sorry, harsh but true. If you've had numerous opportunities but never taken them, there is always something that has stopped you. I'm 29 and this is my first "opportunity" to be a pilot, and I'm taking it.
Your perspective as an outsider is pretty much irrelevant. Again, sorry for any offence. my perspective as an outsider is relevant to guys in a similar situation to myself, we could all just say to older dreamers, ''go ahead and follow the dream'' but the negatives and likely outcome do need to be considered, if you are basically a bit too old. I have an old friend the same age as myself who flies the 777 for BA and his advice is that its too late if you are my age. There will always be a few exceptions but that is what they are, exceptions, most older guys would just be wasting their money. even younger guys have had to give up after finishing training because they may have graduated into a bad hiring market and by the time things turn around again, a whole load of new eager younger graduates are competing for the same jobs. Times are good right now, but its cyclical and could go quiet again at anytime. |
Originally Posted by macdo
(Post 10125268)
I reckon a few folk on this thread need to refer back to post #1 for inspiration.
The large UK airline I work for have taken some quite elderly FO's on with low hours recently. |
Do you posess a PPL?
Say a person has a PPL, has done at least 150 hours,possibly even has some further ratings accrued over the course of their life. At age 40 it's going to cost them £20k to go and do the CPL etc, qualified before 45, still has another 20 years of flying as a career. Why would you not? As I have said before, without the paper the most you can ever fly is your imagination. Go for it, you're only here once and regret is a hell of a thing to live with. |
Originally Posted by jamesgrainge
(Post 10125582)
Do you posess a PPL?
Say a person has a PPL, has done at least 150 hours,possibly even has some further ratings accrued over the course of their life. At age 40 it's going to cost them £20k to go and do the CPL etc, qualified before 45, still has another 20 years of flying as a career. Why would you not? As I have said before, without the paper the most you can ever fly is your imagination. Go for it, you're only here once and regret is a hell of a thing to live with. I haven't completed my PPL yet, i started it a long time ago, everything in life is easy until you have kids, then a lot of options disappear quickly. |
You mean the full 40k to get trained up?
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Originally Posted by nadz
(Post 10125753)
I haven't completed my PPL yet.
Back to the question in hand, do you work in airline recruitment? |
Originally Posted by nadz
(Post 10125403)
Define quite elderly
Worth adding that i was 41 when taken on, with TP time only. |
Originally Posted by macdo
(Post 10125805)
Late 30's. But I have to say most of the very low hour joiners are 20's. That said i know of one guy in his 50's with very low hours got to interview/sim.
Worth adding that i was 41 when taken on, with TP time only. and the older that you are, you better have a good pre flying career background story such as a good technical degree or something impressive to prove your competence, this applies to guys over 30 also, it doesn't look good on the cv if you are over 30 and have not achieved much professionally up to now apart from a fATPL licence. |
Originally Posted by nadz
(Post 10126780)
You must have started your TP job mid to late thirties. You could probably draw a line at 40 as the approximate cutoff age for a realistic chance to start an airline career, it does happen after 40 but it gets more unlikely, of the 50 plus year olds undergoing training, maybe only 1:50 will get any interview/assessment
and the older that you are, you better have a good pre flying career background story such as a good technical degree or something impressive to prove your competence, this applies to guys over 30 also, it doesn't look good on the cv if you are over 30 and have not achieved much professionally up to now apart from a fATPL licence. 1500hrs of which 500 hrs is jet time on type You have passed your airlines' line proficiency check/skill test after 1500 hrs By this time you probably will be bumped up to a senior first officer For some reason, which eludes me, people on this site seem to think that by passing the 14 ATPL theory exams they somehow become ATPL's or fATPL's. In my profession, you do become a doctor until you are fully registered by the GMC after 6 months post graduate house physician/house surgeon posts in a recognised teaching hospital, even though you have passed all the pre-clinical and three-year post clinical exams |
Correction .....in my profession should read .. you don't.....
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Originally Posted by PA28161
(Post 10126845)
There is no such thing as a fATPL. When you graduate ATO (CTC/L3/OAAA et al) you have, hopefully, a CPL/IR/MCC[JOC]. The CAA does not recognise anything called a fATPL it doesn't exist. You get ATPL stamped on your licence after:
1500hrs of which 500 hrs is jet time on type You have passed your airlines' line proficiency check/skill test after 1500 hrs By this time you probably will be bumped up to a senior first officer For some reason, which eludes me, people on this site seem to think that by passing the 14 ATPL theory exams they somehow become ATPL's or fATPL's. In my profession, you do become a doctor until you are fully registered by the GMC after 6 months post graduate house physician/house surgeon posts in a recognised teaching hospital, even though you have passed all the pre-clinical and three-year post clinical exams Altough an fATPL holder is a CPL holder and working its way to the ATPL licence, a CPL holder only can also be someone that only completed 9 of the theory exam, as this is the only requirement for a CPL only holder. Not all CPL holders wish to work on JAR 25 aircraft. So in theory if they were only referring it to a CPL holders, it could really be anyone on the list..hence fATPL saying |
1500hrs of which 500 hrs is jet time on type You have passed your airlines' line proficiency check/skill test after 1500 hrs By this time you probably will be bumped up to a senior first officer nadz I have an old friend the same age as myself who flies the 777 for BA and his advice is that its too late if you are my age |
Please Help me!!
Hi. Mi name is Juan. I'm a commercial pilot in Colombia with 213 hours and I have Spanish nacionality.
in this moment I'm in England and I 'm considering make my license conversion in Egnatia (Greece).(distance course ) I'm new europe (aviation enviroment) and is Very important for me, know about the real offer job to pilots with 200 hours . Is s good moment to study aviation?. If you pay a type rating for yourself, increases the oportunities to get a job?. Is the age a problem? Because when I finish the conversion I will be 28. sorry for the questions but, As I said, I new in europe and I dont have a lot of information thanks |
I will be 38 when I finish training. I am still going in for it.
It's financially very hard and the brain is a bit stale - but the feeling of trying is exhilarating. |
^^good for you. A great time to get into it.
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Originally Posted by JakubEGSC
(Post 10165606)
I will be 38 when I finish training. I am still going in for it.
It's financially very hard and the brain is a bit stale - but the feeling of trying is exhilarating. |
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